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| WOW is all I can say so far!
Last week I ordered an Exiles shirt direct from the RFL following a promotional email. Yesterday it arrived, except that it was an England shirt! I emailed last night and this morning I received a phone call from someone (who I have since found out is a Business Development Manager). I thought great, that's fast!
The first phone call went fine but he wasn't able to get the order up on the computer so said he would ring me back
The second phone call was when the fun started! Firstly, the error is 100% the fault of the RFL for sending the wrong shirt. The gentleman asked me to send back to England shirt and he would send out the correct Exiles shirt. I asked him how he wanted to arrange for the shirt to be sent back in terms of how they would pay for the postage. He told me that it would only cost about a pound and I should pay for it. I explained that that's not how things work, at which point he started to abuse me for arguing over a pound. When I said to him if it's only a pound why don't you pay for it he told me he'd have to take it further and hung up on me!
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER!?! He has definitely convinced me to spend more money with the RFL
I wait in anticipation to find out what happens next. I have replied to an email from a customer service representative telling them what has happened
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| Is it worth getting so worked up over a pound?
We could set up a postage hardship fund for you?
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| Like I said to the guy on the phone, the pound is irrelevant it's the principle and the standard of service
Edit - Not to mention the law and basic consumer rights
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| I see where you're coming from to be fair and was only tongue in cheek.
I work in dispute resolution and generally find the best thing to do is sort out the core issue first, then any recompense for inconvenience etc to follow after.
I would recommend that you say to the RFL "OK, I will arrange for the return of the shirt so that you can send me the correct one, however, I would expect you to acknowledge the inconvenience caused by the delays in receiving the incorrect order, and having to go out of your way to send the incorrect item back."
Then the main issue will be sorted, and you can then pursue whatever recompense you see fit.
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| Last week I ordered some inkjet cartridges online, 2 x black, 1 x Photo Cyan and 1 x Photo Magenta. I received 2 x black, 1 x Cyan and 1 x Magenta.
I rang their sales department who apologised for the error, promised to send the 2 correct cartridges by next day delivery (which they did) and told me to keep the other 2 cartridges with their compliments.
That's customer service! They now have my loyalty.
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| I have now received a phone call from somebody different who has told me that a pre-paid envelope will be in post today to send the England shirt back. Once they have received that back they will post the Exiles shirt out
Right outcome in the end and the second guy handled the situation exactly how I expected it to be done in the first place!
Just means I have to wait another week for my shirt
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| Let's call an emergency meeting at Red Hall.
I'm sure we can make a bid on behalf of the 13 SL clubs for the Postage fund.
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| Quote ="Stooper"Let's call an emergency meeting at Red Hall.
I'm sure we can make a bid on behalf of the 13 SL clubs for the Postage fund.'"
He has a valid point IMO.
Why should he be out of pocket and accept bad service?
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| Quote ="Wildthing"He has a valid point IMO.
Why should he be out of pocket and accept bad service?'"
Is this unprofessional conduct indicative of how other departments throughout the RFL act? I was always taught that for a company to suceed, they had to subscribe to the company's ethos at all levels, and not merely pay lip service to it.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Last week I ordered some inkjet cartridges online, 2 x black, 1 x Photo Cyan and 1 x Photo Magenta. I received 2 x black, 1 x Cyan and 1 x Magenta.
I rang their sales department who apologised for the error, promised to send the 2 correct cartridges by next day delivery (which they did) and told me to keep the other 2 cartridges with their compliments.
That's customer service! They now have my loyalty.'"
Was it Gareth Raynor?
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| Quote ="Mr Carl"Is this unprofessional conduct indicative of how other departments throughout the RFL act? I was always taught that for a company to suceed, they had to subscribe to the company's ethos at all levels, and not merely pay lip service to it.'"
this is an organization that has steve macnamara as its national team coach.
go figure.
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| As mentioned it's not the most serious issue ever, but you do get the feeling that this degree of incompetence and lack of proactivity is rampant throughout the organisation.
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| Was this the same "business manager" who got us such a good naming rights deal last year I wonder? Sounds like he has the credentials!
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| Quote ="Finsbury Wire"Was it Gareth Raynor?'"
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| I got a couple of Exiles shirts last week through the same RFL offer & they look snide as hell with the printed on badges you should have kept the England shirt.
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| Quote ="ormian7"WOW is all I can say so far!
Last week I ordered an Exiles shirt direct from the RFL following a promotional email. Yesterday it arrived, except that it was an England shirt! I emailed last night and this morning I received a phone call from someone (who I have since found out is a Business Development Manager). I thought great, that's fast!
The first phone call went fine but he wasn't able to get the order up on the computer so said he would ring me back
The second phone call was when the fun started! Firstly, the error is 100% the fault of the RFL for sending the wrong shirt. The gentleman asked me to send back to England shirt and he would send out the correct Exiles shirt. I asked him how he wanted to arrange for the shirt to be sent back in terms of how they would pay for the postage. He told me that it would only cost about a pound and I should pay for it. I explained that that's not how things work, at which point he started to abuse me for arguing over a pound. When I said to him if it's only a pound why don't you pay for it he told me he'd have to take it further and hung up on me!
BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER!?! He has definitely convinced me to spend more money with the RFL
I wait in anticipation to find out what happens next. I have replied to an email from a customer service representative telling them what has happened'"
How much did you pay for postage from them?
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| The England shirt was the same with the printed ISC and team logo as well
The original P+P was £2
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| Did you get the guys name?
Send a letter of complaint, how much is a first class stamp, oh wait don't bother
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| Quote ="ormian7"The England shirt was the same with the printed ISC and team logo as well
The original P+P was £2'"
Strange really considering that the exact same shirt last year was embroidered. (well, not exactly, it's the same as the St Helens, Wire, Wigan, Leeds, Hull etc etc shirts)
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"Last week I ordered some inkjet cartridges online, 2 x black, 1 x Photo Cyan and 1 x Photo Magenta. I received 2 x black, 1 x Cyan and 1 x Magenta.
I rang their sales department who apologised for the error, promised to send the 2 correct cartridges by next day delivery (which they did) and told me to keep the other 2 cartridges with their compliments.
That's customer service! They now have my loyalty.'"
This is the way that all companies should deal with errors like this......and most in office supplies do.
It cultivates customer loyalty and also contributes to the delivery of a better service in the long run as the "free goods" you've just received come straight off their bottom line.
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| Quote ="Finsbury Wire"Was it Gareth Raynor?'"
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| Quote ="Conroy"Strange really considering that the exact same shirt last year was embroidered. (well, not exactly, it's the same as the St Helens, Wire, Wigan, Leeds, Hull etc etc shirts)'"
The difference in quality between this England shirt and last seasons Warrington shirt (which I also have, £2.99 JJB bargain!) is ridiculous. This England shirt is described as a 'Supporters' shirt though so this may be where the difference lies
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| Quote ="gutterfax"This is the way that all companies should deal with errors like this......and most in office supplies do.
It cultivates customer loyalty and also contributes to the delivery of a better service in the long run as the "free goods" you've just received come straight off their bottom line.'"
Exactly. The cost to them is peanuts as it would have cost them nearly as much to pay the return postage. For that they now have my loyalty as a preferred supplier and I will recommend them to my friends as well.
I was going to name the company but wasn't sure if that was allowed.
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| I ordered some black and white print cartridges from Kodak and they sent colour ones. When I rang them they apologized and sent the B+W ones. I asked about returning the colour ones and they said "don't bother, it's our mistake"
They also sent me a free printer head replacement, even though it was out of warranty.
I'd certainly buy from them again.
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