Hi!
I am sorry if this topic already has a thread, but truthfully I can't fathom how to check, cos not only am I new to this forum I am not that great with a pc either. Excuses over...

Why is it that when a team uses a regular ref and the ref is biased or even by his decisions engineers a win for "his" team ie disallowing perfectly good trys, the team considers that they have won the match? I am not talking about bad reffing, I am talking about blatant cheating.

I have watched my sons team play for school and the opponents used one of their pupils who ensured his team won. I know the same thing may well happen when they re match at my sons school, but either way we can never really know who has won with that mentality so what is the point.???

Just wondered if it is just me that is of this opinion????

Try the Leeds forum perhaps

It's gonna run, and run, and run, and run..............

Anyone read the Liverpool Echo article?

I have been told that getting a ref for the youngsters is a bit difficult so we should just "bite the bullet" and tolerate the bad reffing, as it goes both ways, but surely that does not inspire good sportmanship.

I stand at the pitch side week in week out and listen to frustrated adults yelling at young refs for letting things go all one way and not having balance in the game ( I do Know ref don't see everything). I have witnessed normally mild mannered kids throwing punches because they are soooooooo frustrated and just have to accept poor decisions. Some governing body should put a stop to this poor reffing and teach the kids about sportsmanship whilst they are still young enough to have respect for the game instilled in them.

As I said earlier I am talking about blatant cheating.

I have the cape if you want to play the crusader? What's stopping you doing it?

My disability stops me from refereeing but my morals wish I could.

Remember posters... Chucky egg is talking about blatant cheating here. You know, when 14 year olds are put in control of 14 year olds

WHAT a load of tosh..
Kids throw punches because a few decisions go against them?? Man the .... up! This aint football, if you wanted to teach sportsmanship you'd make sure they treated the official with respect!
The best teams finish at the top over a season, the worst at the bottom, if anything i've found teams who appoint their 'own' ref tend to get the majority of decisions against them.

here's something that will probably amuse you Chucky..Last weekend in the local footy league there was a ref appointed by the home team (from Widnes). Their team was losing 2-0 and their own players didn't like it so they did the ref in, one bloke in particular im led to believe beat the living daylights out of him.
Talk about a reverse of fortunes eh chucky.

Your players are crap....why should your refs be any better?

OK, how about investing some time recruiting others to ref? Put yourself in the position of coordinating refereeing.

Both my kids both play one open age and one Gilette U18 - I have seen them play from U11 and every week I hear parents ranting at the referee - what do you expect Steve Ganson? these are refs pretty low down the quality level and their performance will reflect that.

Cheating - you need to retract that statement - these guys do it in their spare time for a small payment and without them you have no game

One major obstacle to referee recruitment and retention is the amount of abuse they receive from touchlines, especially from adults at junior games.

I Hull & District, when I was refereeing, it didn't matter what Grade you were, you were still expected to referee amateur games at youth and open age levels. In fact when Lindop was in charge of refs, if your society reported that you were refusing amateur games, you were suspended from the officials' roster.

Even then, mid-week school games were often played with one team's teacher refereeing, simply because of work commitments. I was fortunate enough to be able to blag the odd Wednesday afternoon off work and officiate at these matches. It was worth it just to see the look of gratitude on the faces of players and coaches, knowing that they had an official completely unconnected with either team.

If you're looking for the solution, you have the answer already. OK, you may not be able to take the field yourself but that doesn't stop you helping to improve things. A start could be made by encouraging the players and spectators not to abuse the officials, if that doesn't work, then the club should look at issuing touchline bans to the worst culprits.

Officals are an easy target, unfortunately they are usually the target of clueless buggers, who haven't got the balls to pick up a whistle in the first place.

Let me try and explain to you all what I am saying

Scenario 1 two evenly matched teams with a good quality ref.
Even penalty count, 50/50 decisions even at end of game.
Result best team wins ( with the exception of the odd fluke result)

Scenario 2 two evenly matched teams with a poor quality/inexperienced ref. Even penalty count, 50/50 decisions even ( may not all be correct but will normally even themselves out).
Result best team wins ( with the exception of the odd fluke result)

Scenario 3 (the one I am talking about) two evenly matched teams, ref plays for home side at an older age, probably goes to school with the brothers of the team, hangs about on same estate etc, etc, etc. Ref awards his team a penalty count of 12 to 1. Both teams have 10 handling errors, but the 50/50 decisions go massively in favour of the home team. Throw in a couple of disallowed trys and you have 2 evenly matched teams. 1 has 80% possesion and 1 has 20% possesion. Only ever going to be 1 winner.


So yes I appreciate good refs, 1 accept bad refs as they even themselves out, but I will never ever accept cheating refs. these need to be stamped out and banned from rugby league for life.

The worst I have seen was a couple of seasons ago when my son played a fixture away. The ref was a home player from an older age. The home team had a penalty count of 20 -0 the ref sent 3 of the away team off for offences that he didn't penalise the home team for. He then played 53 minutes in the 2nd half for an under 12's game until his team scored the winner. When the away coach aquestioned his timekeeping on 50 minutes he sent him off aswell.

The home team coach then believed he had won that game fair and square. If you look closely you will see teams who win nearly all there home games but very few away games.

As far as respect goes, it has to be earned. I will respect a good ref but not a cheat, I will respect a good policeman but not a bent one. I will respect a good financial adviser but not one who wants me to buy products that only benefit him.

As for all you guys who say get off your and do something about it...Well I might be doing something about it.
This a forum for people to exchange views on rugby related topics, and however much some of you don't like to admit it cheating refs do exist. You have to remember that we are paying for them and as such we should expect them to be impartial.

Senario 3 is so rare is to not worth talking about - you need to be able to accept this is a game - teams lose games they should win - get over it and move on

Actually it is not that rare and can I say if that standard of statement is all you have to contribute then I suggest you don't bother in future!!


What I am looking for from this is somebody who actually understands what I am saying and "gets" that true winners only come from a balanced game. My sons are more often than not on the winning team but they have only actually won if it has been reffereed properly.

So, your sons are on the winning team most of the time, but they only win if the game is refereed properly. So this must mean that most of the time the ref's are up to scratch?

Nice bit of contradiction there dont you think?

Anyway, I suppose as an amateur ref myself I'd better add my money to this.

As far as it goes in Leeds I have never seen any ref cheat or do anything of the sort. There have been many inept performances by some leading to idiots like yourself refering to them as cheats but this is mainly because they are not upto that standard.

Also the majority of muppets on the sideline dont bother me because I know its usually either 1 of 2 things. Firstly you get the coaches/parents who know about the game and they think they can influence the decisions by trying to slate a weak ref. I learned this early on when I started and these same people come upto you after the game and congratulate you on a good performance.

Secondly there are idiots who dont know the 1st thing about the rules of the game who would moan if somebody was handing them a cheque for £10000. These are normally put in thier place by the more knowledgable folk around them.

As far as punches being thrown in my experience it's due two teams who dont like each other un the 1st place getting at each other verbally all game. You can calm it down as much as you want but if the players want to go then they will.

Im gonna tell you something about you, and your sons.


You are a whinger, a gutless whinger.

You're sons are gonna grow up just like you. A couple of gutless losers who blame everyone else for their lack of success.

Congratulations.

No really!

few people have the courage to openly say they want to bring up their kids to be a bunch of whinging pommy idiots, but you just come right out there with it man.

One thing I forgot to say Egg...

If I oficiated your kids team and penalised them 20 timeS and the other team 5 or 6 would you have the sh*ts then? Would I be cheating? Even if it was justified in the rules? (not in your warped brain)

The thing is Hollywood....you'd know if you were reffing his boys because they would be the ones crying and p*ssing their pants because the other side is playing too rough.

Then you'd be amazing when they high fived each other and claimed they had won via a moral victory!



These are the type of idiots that grow up and hand Andrew Farrell the trophy because they ties a series at home and the other side retained the trophy!

Yay, lets all celebrate for this cretin and the brats he is bring up to infect the English sporting landscape with their losing attitude and weak ways.


To be fair though, like I said, he come out and said it. He laid them on the line, he wants his kids to be whinging losers.....takes some balls to say that in public.

As a referee who constantly does junior games throughout the winter I earn respect every time I take to the field because I have the b***s to go out there and do it and not to stand on a touch line being accused of all sorts of things by people who quite simply don't know better. I'm fed up with insinuations of cheating from so called experts who gain their knowledge of the rules either from their mates in the pub or from Eddie and Stevo. What you are accusing some refs of is in fact illegal. It is illegal to deliberately influence the outcome of a match as a match official. Now if you have proof of this then I suggest you go to the police, if not then shut up. It's thanks to people like you that we find it hard to recruit and retain and develop officials to a better standard.

You still don't get it do you.

3 types of ref

1 good ref

2 incompetent ref

3 biased ref

ref 1 don't have a problem with, ref 2 although frustrating can't really be blamed for being incompetent, that is down to the training they get,in all walks of life you get incompetence. Ref 3 this is cheating.

And no I don't shout at the refs, and no my kids are not whingers.

So please thickos and refs ( if you are ref 1 well done, if you are ref 2 get a rule book, if you are ref 3 have a look in the mirror) this is not about whinging when beaten, this is not about shouting at refs. This is about a ref not being impartial and engineering a win.

You lot of divs would probably say it happens get on with it when someone tests positivefor drugs.

And Ladyref " call the police"

How funny is that. You don't grow balls and earn respect for walking on a pitch to do something you are paid for. You earn respect by reffing a game fairly and to the best of your ability.
The best way to stop this happening is to not allow a child who is associated with a club to ref that club. How easy is that?


Hollywood Harrigan if you did a justified penalty count of 100 to 5 I would be happy. What about the ref associated with a club who gives a penalty count of 12 to 0 all for offside when both teams are only getting back the same distance or are both moving off the mark early?
If you are ref 1 or 2 good for you, surely you must want to rid the game of ref 3?

The Glorious League freak --- Gutless Whinger

aren't you the big keyboard warrior calling a disabled woman a gutless whinger for having an opinion. Whatever turns you on pal

Ignore the Freak, he's a bit of a legend for all the wrong reasons.
I do think you're a whinger though