There have been many calls for the RFL to bring back P+R, personally I dont think they should have ever got rid of it. What are your views on it?

I am a firm believer that if you are the worst team in league 1 you should make way for the best team in league 2.

There aren't any clubs in the Championship currently who could survive for their initial season in Super League on one seasons worth of recruitment, so I don't see it making all that much difference to be honest.

I liked P+R. But if it were ever to return, then the Championship GF would need to be early in August at the latest. Widnes have struggled immensely and that's with ample preparation time. Give a Championship side just two / three months to prepare and they'd stand no chance.

Only way to combat that would be to reduce SL to 12 teams, which imo would be sad to see.

No, there is too much of a gap between the SL and the championship. Also using Widnes as an example they would be signing overseas players before using young british players to avoid relegation. For every HKR there is a Leigh who'll be just whipping boys for a year.

Admittidly the franchise system has its faults but with a governing body with some balls it would work fine. With teams not only being selected but can also get thrown out of the SL, for example if a team got a C last time and a C next time they haven't moved forward they should be shown the exit.

If its doene every 2 or 3 seasons, to give the promoted club time to find its feet then absolutely yes.
Go back to the "minimum criteria" used in the earlier days of SL and at least there will be a more transparent pathway into the top flight and not the current system of picking the "strongest" 14 clubs

As long as both the RFL and the clubs show no idea of how to improve the Championship as a ' Vibrant , worth winning in its own right ' Competition that will improve the clubs in it , then there is no point having promotion to SL

However having promotion to SL would drastically enhance the Championship as a ' Vibrant , worth winning competition ' and would help to improve the clubs in it





HTH

Yes. Make an exemption for teams coming up giving them 2 seasons exemption from relegation, allowing them to build properly. Sport should be given the chance as opposed to criteria.

Yes but no exemption on relegation. Sport should be about rewards for winning and a penalty for losing. Yes you get yo yo teams but you get previous 'powers' going through periods of decline. Things will balance out in the end.

just yes

I'd like to see the bottom SL team involved in a playoff series with the top Championship teams so that at least the team coming up (or staying up) can reasonably argue that it deserves its place. In recent years often the team coming up was worse than the team going down.

I'm totally against Promotion/relegation..it baffles me that there are a majority of people on here who agree with it.

Yes, it adds slightly more excitement to the bottom of the table at the end of the season....and yes, if you consistently under perform you should lose your place in SL....

But.....the vast majority of teams who were relegated when P/R was in place just came back the next available season. The players also left clubs because of relegation and just signed for the new promoted club....who in turn 9 times out of 10 were the team relegated the following season....oh and of course the players again left that club to rejoin the club that comes back up. A pointless circle in my view.

Teams also panic bought average NRL players just to stay in SL....and we saw what that did to our International set up and pool of players! Only now are the youngsters getting a chance at top SL clubs e.g. Watkins, Lomax et al and they'll be the breed of player that will improve ten fold our ability to compete with the Aussies & Kiwis.

More clubs also hit financial hardship with P/R....admittedly, a few teams have had issues since the franchise system....but they'd have been equally effected under P/R...we'd of just seen more teams in that boat!

I know this is just my opinion....and amazingly, I'm in the minority! But bringing back annual P/R will just take us back a massive step.

No, we're talking about promotion and relegetion over say 2-3 years.
Therefore an automatic pathway into the top flight, with 2 or 3 years to get up to speed.
I agree with you regarding the journeyman players, that moved from promoted club to promoted club, but the current system is flawed, biased and not transparent.

Think the only way P+R could work is if the promoted team was given a 1 season relegation amnesty. That would effectively make it a 13 team SL but gives the promoted team chance to build for season 2.
If the current system was run better it would work just fine though. Take the last round of franchising, Wakey should have been relegated as should Crusaders for going into administration. But because Crusaders effectively gave up they decided it better to let Wakey have another go. Likewise if Bradford go into administration or any other club for that matter they should be punished by losing their SL license at the next round of licensing.

IMO that would never be a balanced fixture.
Just promote the top team and relegate the bottom team whoever that is, regardles of them being English, Welsh, French, Heartland Club or anything else

Thing is, whilst that's the right idea, we will quickly find ourselves with only nine or so teams in SL, because the teams below are even worse.

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Are exactly my thoughts as well. I am surprised P+R has so much of a popular vote.

As I posted earlier , the problem with P and R is the weakness of the clubs in the Championship , everybody pretty much agree's with that , so the answer is quite simple , improve the Championship , the problem is that without promotion you cannot improve the Championship

And the governing body are clueless in how to improve the Championship , as has been demonstrated by the lack of idea's they have shown

So there is no definate answer , you either have a crap system without it , or a crap system with it , and the majority of the clubs in both SL and the Championship play fairly meaningless friendlies for the majority of the season , a bit like RU used to have

I wonder how many years it will be until these sort of threads stop appearing. Automatic P&R is not coming back until there are enough teams so that we can run two full-time leagues. Deal with it.

Why ? if you promote 1 and relegate one, the number remains the same.
A heavier points deduction for going into admin is ok, but the RFL would need to put a rule in place before making such a decision.
Equally, you are toatally ignoring the wishes and aspirations of the lower league clubs.
Good to see your club on the up though

When those of us brought up to believe that sport is about equal competition between 2 teams are all dead



Hopefully a while yet then

To tell the truth I'm not too fussed anymore , I'd rather Leigh get to the NRC final than the Championship GF these days , more fun , without the frustration factor if you win it , the rest of the games are pretty meaningless IMO

Which could have been achieved if the top clubs at the time had thought about the game as a whole rather than themselves with the Murdoch money. Far too much was wasted on high salaried antipodean has beens and not enough developing the game as a whole.

People saying that teams would just be filled with average foreigners, but surely you could work P&R with a sense of 'providing young players' along with it.

Bottom of SL relegated, Championship winner promoted. But every 25 man squad in Super League is not allowed anymore than 5 overseas players (no silly exemptions e.g. Kolpak) If you're born in the UK or in your clubs nation e.g. Catalans then your obviously exempt but nobody else.

Every matchday 17 must feature 7 players under the age of 23 and at least 5 of which have to have come from you're academy?

I don't understand why people suggest automatic P&R, and then come up with stupid contrived ideas that not only would be much more contrived than the current system, but would also directly and negatively affect the nature of the sport and the league. The worst is when people suggest automatic P&R, but with the promoted team getting a 1-year amnesty. Come on, think about what you are posting. Surely if there is a need to bring in these contrived ideas, then that's an admittance that the system doesn't work? What is wrong with the current format, which provides all the benefits and none of the negatives?

I'm not suggesting an amnesty mate, if you're coming up expect go go straight back down if you're not good enough. I suggested atering EVERY teams squad so that P&R doesn't hinder youth development.