On this site, and in seriously media, it is far more the other way in terms of guff being spread.

I won't deny there are some fans of expansion who love to stick the boot in, but there is far less venom in what they say compared to the anti-Toronto groups.

Reading through this thread and some of the bile from so called fans of the game makes it clear what is holding the game back -and it's not a club from the other side of the Atlantic, or wanting a particular club to succeed; it's fans who spread hate within their own sport.

No fans = no game.

I've held a season ticket for years and made the fewest home matches last season because of the constant changing of fixtures, especially to mid-week.

With so many domestic clubs having their fixtures on a Friday (when the match is not televised) has ruled me out of attending lots of away fixtures too. I love my club but can't make most of the fixtures even though I'd love to go.

I've never been to Catalans, too difficult for me to get to in my circumstances. Would I go to Toronto? Very difficult to co-ordinate and afford.

The game is ultimately about the fans. It is not about clubs relying on away fans, it is about fans being able to follow their team. The way fixtures and locations are going in recent decades is really pushing the limits of what many of us can do. The less games you can make then the more risk there is of people stopping going altogether.

Short term v long term view.

As someone said the French and Canadian teams don't seem to have their home fixtures messed around much do they? Makes it easier for them to build up a returning supporter base.

I've said so many times already that, both Toronto and Toulouse should have been "promoted" when we had the last restructuring, as you say, to see if it works.
Clearly, there was no appetite for this from the SL clubs, the governing body and most importantly from Sky and given that Toronto, apparently, are not going to take a slice of the Sky cake, it's just bewildering that as a sport, we didn't use the opportunity.
This not only would have allowed everyone to "test the water" but, also got rid of the ridiculous loop fixtures and if Sky were not willing to add 1/13th extra funding the, despite all the "increased investment and sponsorship opportunities" that we've been told about since Toronto "joined the party", it seems thet NOBODY actually believes this to be the case.

If the game had done this and the inclusion of these sides was something of a success then, it may have pave the way for other sides to join and if it had fallen on it's booty then, we could have reverted to 12 clubs or, replaced Toronto with Fev and Leigh in the top flight

Fev for me..they'll bring 500 to 1000 to away games...Toronto bugger all...just like London and catalans

Toronto and always Toronto.

We will probably go to 14 teams from 2022 too meaning whoever goes down next season will probably find a quick route back anyway.

Why are sky classing it as the million pound game ??