Quote ="roofaldo2"The thing is, there's a flip side to the coin. What about those people who borrow from them and then pay back what they've borrowed on time? You know? The sensible people who work for their money and just need a stop gap to get over a financial pitfall. '"
What about them?
Quote ="roofaldo2"The people who call foul against companies like Provident are usually the type who want something for nothing, shouldn't be entering financial commitments because they're either unwilling or incapable of keeping up with the payments or my personal favourite those who will just sign up for anything without reading the documentation and then complain when the penalties that are clearly laid out in the documentation are imposed on them. '"
The people who call foul against companies like Provident are usually the type who don't like wealthy, scummy suits trawling the very bottom of society, preying on the vulnerable and bankrupting struggling families to further their own greed.
See, I can do that as well.
Quote ="roofaldo2"Also, as for those who work for a pittance in 3rd world countries, I assume them as you're taking such a strong moral stance that neither you nor anyone in your family has ever bought any product produced by the coca-cola company.'"
I don't own my family!!! What my family buys has nothing to do with me, what my family believes, thinks and feels and how they act on it has positively nothing to do with me. What I've bought in the past is irrelevant, also.
Is a vegetarian who ate meat growing up invalidated by that fact, when putting forward argument against meat eating on ethical grounds? Is a vegetarian whose family eats meat invalidated by that fact? Is a Socialist whose family is Capitalist a hypocrite? What about an environmentalist that owned a hummer when he was younger, is he not allowed to have ethical qualms today?
What I've bought in the past, what my family buy today, they have nothing to do with what my position is, right now.
Quote ="roofaldo2"Or bought brand-named trainers? I also assume therefore that your strong moral centre means you boycot supermarkets like Tesco and refuse to have anything to do with fast food outlets like McDonalds.'"
Pretty much.
Quote ="roofaldo2"If you do, then that kind of makes you a hypocrite for invoking the use of 3rd world labour in your self justificating argument'"
But IF I did, it would have nothing to do with the validity of my statements. Me buying Coca Cola as a teenager doesn't in anyway justify or excuse the evils of Coca Cola! Even if I drank Coca Cola today it would make me a hypocrite, yes, but it wouldn't invalidate my criticisms of Coca Cola.
I don't even follow the reasoning you're trying to use here... It's literally baffling. Did it make sense when you wrote it?
Anyway, the point I was making is that choice in itself doesn't make something just. There are a lot of bad things in the world that people voluntarily enter into. The fact people choose to use Provident tells us nothing when discussing whether they're a good or bad company.
