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| Quote ="pyeman"You normally come acros as a pretty well informed and reasonable bloke, so i'm not sure if your just doing a spot of fishing, but if you knew the ins and outs of the delays behind the cas stadium you would know that matters outside the control of cas have held back the stadiums constuction, principally the council and health and safety executives talking an age to clear the blast zone on the ajacent site at hicksons. Cas could do nothing about this, nor could they do anything about the recesion which has further slowed things down, whats more they couldnt tell the future. Now cas will begin construction of a new stadium in a matter of months while other bigger clubs have not managed to do the same, and we've done it in the middle of hardsest economic times in decades, with no sugar daddy, no fa cash and only a limited amount of council funding which will be a loan rather than permenant funding. And yet still its seems some people are happy to criticise, despite not knowing the full facts and how much hard work and money that has gone into this stadium already.
The fact remains that the licence applications from Salford, Wakefield, Castleford and St Helens last time round gave assurances that new stadia would be in place before the next round of applications in 2011 or ready for occupation in time for 2012. All of these clubs were reminded of this over a year ago by the RFL. Whilst the reasons why this may not have happened listed above (recession, relationships with local councils, etc, etc,) may be relevant to those clubs involved, you cannot blame fans from clubs like Leigh, Halifax and Widnes who have managed to to get the required facilities in place whilst having to combat similar difficulties, for having little sympathy with the SL clubs involved. Especially when all of the current SL clubs have, with differing degrees of enthusiasm in recent years, been keen to pull up the draw-bridge and keep SL as an elite club for themselves. Now when the threat of exclusion from SL has reared its ugly head, a blame culture accompanied by allegations and accusations runs through message boards the length and breadth of rugby league. At the risk of massively oversimplifying things, to an outsider, if the criteria says that a ground fit for purpose has to be in place for SL membership to be obtained, any club without one should not be considered for SL. If the RFL accepts excuses from one club about the reasons why it does not have an appropriate stadium in place for 2012 then it has to accept excuses from all of them or legal action will almost certainly follow. What credibility will objective criteria have then?
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| Quote ="Fully"[uI meant in terms of location. We've kept to the same place for the last six years and not budged despite circumstances where so many would have thrown in the towel. [/uSure we've had to make amendments to our plans but name one club that hasn't during the economic climate?'"
Why should you throw in the towel and move? the location is ideal for you and if it came free you would have been silly to look elsewhere and in all probability would have had to pay for the land assuming land was available, and you would still have been in the unfortunate position of having your assets frozen because of Hickson+Welch and then the economic climate and the down turn in the housing industry. Sure you have had to make amendments to your plans its called cutting your cloth etc, why not just say it as it is and not how you would like it to be, you would not have to back peddle then squire, your the only one in this situation btw, Saints and Salford are on their way, Wakey's landlords have the finance and nothing to spend it on.
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| Quote ="Leaguefan"Stadia were/are still not seen as priorities for clubs.
Crocked pension seeking over paid aussies etc were/are.
I wonder where all the money and effort went?
Now it's time to act there are "problems".
Some clubs actually did something, others sat on their collective backsides and have done nowt.
Which clubs "fans" don't like the "truth"?'" Not all clubs have this attitude.
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| Quote ="littlerich"I think that's what people have a problem with. Six years later and it's still at the planning stage. You can understand people's snide comments can't you? Until the bricklayer slaps down the first lego piece it's cynical city on here I'm afraid - same goes for Wakey and Salford.'"
Yes, but that is not down to Castleford - we have been ready to go for a few years now. It's the fact that the chemical licence from across the road at Hicksons has not been revoked until earlier this year. This has meant we've been unable to progress the sale of the Probiz Coliseum and therefore free up the funding. We could have had this built by now if we had not been hindered by that.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Why should you throw in the towel and move? the location is ideal for you and if it came free you would have been silly to look elsewhere and in all probability would have had to pay for the land assuming land was available, and you would still have been in the unfortunate position of having your assets frozen because of Hickson+Welch and then the economic climate and the down turn in the housing industry. Sure you have had to make amendments to your plans its called cutting your cloth etc, why not just say it as it is and not how you would like it to be, you would not have to back peddle then squire, your the only one in this situation btw, Saints and Salford are on their way, Wakey's landlords have the finance and nothing to spend it on.'"
Well, we shouldn't have had to move but it could and would have been so easy to say sod it, let's groundshare at Newmarket, sell The Jungle and ensure we have a bit of financial backing for the future. Well, no we're not the only ones who are/were in this situation. Salford, if I remember rightly from reading their forum a few months back, made amendments to their plans and reduced the capacity because of the costs their original designs would have been. Also, they've had to phase their stadium in three stages due to the costs, I think. The only difference between all these clubs is that we have had no major financial backer to put money in (i.e. the council) and we're the only club to have the chemical works on our doorstep preventing us from the moving project forward.
Saints and Salford are both on their way but it would be silly to even bring Saints into the equation. Salford are doing the groundworks and with the current weather, it is highly unlikely IMO, that they'll start building until the New Year at the earliest. Wakey state they have the finance, but like Cas, we've yet to actually see any evidence of that.
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| Quote ="Fully"Well, we shouldn't have had to move but it could and would have been so easy to say sod it, let's groundshare at Newmarket, sell The Jungle and ensure we have a bit of financial backing for the future. Well, no we're not the only ones who are/were in this situation. [uSalford, if I remember rightly from reading their forum a few months back, made amendments to their plans and reduced the capacity because of the costs their original designs would have been. Also, they've had to phase their stadium in three stages due to the costs,[/u I think. The only difference between all these clubs is that we have had no major financial backer to put money in (i.e. the council) and we're the only club to have the chemical works on our doorstep preventing us from the moving project forward.
Saints and Salford are both on their way but it would be silly to even bring Saints into the equation. Salford are doing the groundworks and with the current weather, it is highly unlikely IMO, that they'll start building until the New Year at the earliest. [uWakey state they have the finance, but like Cas, we've yet to actually see any evidence of that.[/u'"
Fully old boy its you what is bringing other clubs in to compare with yours not me, good luck with the build if and when it comes off, your bad luck with the blast zone coupled up with the recession is well documented on here and I am sure there is every sympathy from the fans on here towards Cas. The thing is that when you and a couple of other Cas fans that come on here explaining how it is sometimes try to guild the lily somewhat and some of the facts you present don't always add up thats all, you are having to do what Salford have done if indeed that is what they have done, the difference is they did not say that their plans had not changed when clearly they have, yours on the other hand have not according to you. By the way fwiw at no time have Wakefield TW ever said that they have the finances available when it is also well documented that we are soley reliant on outside funding, the community trust and its partners may have said that but we as a club realise that we will be like 75% of SL simply tenants.
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