He did very well to play 26 games if he was sidelined.

His defence is actually pretty decent on the whole. Like the rest of Warrington's left hand combination he has been found wanting but at the play the ball and in a one on one situation he's reasonably solid.

Jamie Lyon has won the MOS and also won the NRL title playing at 5/8th

in case you dont know, these indicate a player who is good.

Only good players with titles? You have heard of Ricky Bibey and Scott Naylor haven't you? I'm sure they have their Australian counterparts - ordinary players in successful sides.

NRL title.

edit : playmakers are very crucial in RL. to win a trophy in the nrl as a playmaker means you are a really good player..

funny how you ignored the MOS.

clearly you dont rate it

Don't change the subject - according to you Canberra are one the best attacking sides in the NRL - which seems to conflict with some of the statements you are now making?

Preston Campbell won a NRL title playing at 6 - even by the widest stretch of the imagination could anyone call him a good player - Sean Rudder is another - Ben Iken another - not sure your arguement stands scrutiny!!

Lyon wasn't considered good enough to be a playmaker for Saints he was a centre when he won his MOS - a fact obviously lost in your desire to show what a fool you are