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| Inspired by this post from Cat on the RD thread, I thought it might be worth taking the chat on to a separate thread...
Quote Fantastic Mr Cat="Fantastic Mr Cat"someone could and should write a book on what happened during 1997. i always remember that as it was the first year i paid for my own season ticket and as a i kid was obsessive over it, even though we were poop.
I even bought tickets to all the WCC games and was amazed how poor the crowds were, which tbf was probably accurate as we were garbage (for you younger folk, compare it the Cas play off game last year)
it was soul destroying as we were being pencilled in along with bradford as being one of the threats to saints crown, having invested heavily in the best of Auckland Warriors reserves, Mead, Vagana and Tatupu, the experience Dermot was bringing from Wigan.
Daryl Van de velde tipped us at the team to beat in his pre season Daily mirror column. i bet hhe didn't think that when he took over 2 months later. I'm amazed that he lasted as long as he did here, he was never happy, and the club was a show extraordinaire.
Losing a load of players pre season in the gary sanderson testimonial, mead his knee, hilton reinjured his shoulder
getting battered on sky opening night away at bradford
the harris saga being resolved after the off season of 'will saints buy him, wont they', and him turning out for the reserves and then the first and everyone hoping it was rectified only for him to end up at leeds 2 weeks later.
john smith sacking all the reserves and a lot of the first team, including mafi, willie swann and dermot that first week. After realising we didn't have enough money to cope with being full time ALL YEAR ROUND.
Using 47 players throughout the year, including the aforementioned cast offs that were left out of other teams, doc murray, richie eyres, and a supporting cast of many
the aforementioned hooker merry go round.
The return of Derbs and tony thorniley.
And then THAT game against paris at the back end of the season to secure safety from relegation (something popped in my head that day)
The death of princess diana.
going to oldham for the premiership/play offs on the same day, and seeing john fieldhouse turn out for us as i think warren stevens missed the bus.'"
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| Some of my memories....
The licorice allsorts approach to signing players (endemic throughout the Murphy era, despite him saying at the start "no more money will be wasted on second raters"). Felt like there was a constant merry go-round of ageing veterans and unknown NZ/South Sea Islanders. I think everybody was trying to mine that market at the time hoping to unearth the next Henry/Robbie Paul.
Didn't we go crawling back to Swann, Dermott and Mafi a few weeks after making a big show of sacking them after getting smashed by Bradford, because we needed bodies for the squad?
Chucking Jon Duffy and Warren Stevens in to the first team. I think they were only 17. Both were clearly too young, I wonder if it harmed them long term. There was a lot of hope around Duffy at the club as a potential successor to Harris.
Nigel Vagana. One success from the licorice allsorts approach. You could see he was streets ahead of the others - such a smooth runner with great hands. I hoped we could hold on to him and Toa (who had flashed briefly at this point but kept getting injured) but was clearly too good for us. I remember him being a stand off for us, but can't remember whether this was just in a few games or all season?
The Wigan win. There was a rule of thumb back then that 90% of the time we were utter garbage, but when we were at a point of maximum chaos and at home against a good team, we would pull off something spectacular. I remember 'calling' a few Wire upsets in advance using this rule over the next few years, though sadly never confident enough to put money on them! I think this was the week when Dorahy had just been sacked and Cullen who was still in the playing staff was put in charge as coach, although after we won, it became "Murphy was in charge with Cullen".
The demise of Richard Henare. He had been the Nigel Vagana of the year before, and there was a lot of excitement going in to the season about how he would do. It soon became clear that this was a guy with issues and his form went downhill before him being sacked for disciplinary reasons. For a while I saw him as the great lost hope, but he never got out of the Championship after that.
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| As if the Corona virus wasn't tipping us over the edge, up pops 1997.
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| You think that was bad? Wait till 1998. At least chaos gave us some excitement.
It was like being glad to have seen the back of 2001.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"You think that was bad? Wait till 1998. At least chaos gave us some excitement.
It was like being glad to have seen the back of 2001.'"
At least we had Michael Eagar .
Didn't we also get that plant pot from Saints, Fogarty?
The only thing he did after leaving there, was get out-acted by a sheep in Emmerdale
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| Quote lefty goldblatt="lefty goldblatt"At least we had Michael Eagar .
Didn't we also get that plant pot from Saints, Fogarty?
The only thing he did after leaving there, was get out-acted by a sheep in Emmerdale'"
He rose to greater heights than that....he was in Snatch getting knocked out by Brad Pitt.
Anyway, we're getting off topic. Eagar and Fogarty were just a twinkle in DVDVs eye, back in 97 when we had Vagana and Dallas Mead.
97 was also the end of the road for the last stalwarts of the Brian Johnson era. Cullen called it a day and Kelly Shelford was released. I remember Shelford - who was one of the heroes of my teenage days - copping a lot of stick towards the end, but his reputation seems to have been rehabilitated since given how he is revered on this forum.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"Some of my memories....
The licorice allsorts approach to signing players (endemic throughout the Murphy era, despite him saying at the start "no more money will be wasted on second raters"). Felt like there was a constant merry go-round of ageing veterans and unknown NZ/South Sea Islanders. I think everybody was trying to mine that market at the time hoping to unearth the next Henry/Robbie Paul.
Didn't we go crawling back to Swann, Dermott and Mafi a few weeks after making a big show of sacking them after getting smashed by Bradford, because we needed bodies for the squad?
Chucking Jon Duffy and Warren Stevens in to the first team. I think they were only 17. Both were clearly too young, I wonder if it harmed them long term. There was a lot of hope around Duffy at the club as a potential successor to Harris.
Nigel Vagana. One success from the licorice allsorts approach. You could see he was streets ahead of the others - such a smooth runner with great hands. I hoped we could hold on to him and Toa (who had flashed briefly at this point but kept getting injured) but was clearly too good for us. I remember him being a stand off for us, but can't remember whether this was just in a few games or all season?
The Wigan win. There was a rule of thumb back then that 90% of the time we were utter garbage, but when we were at a point of maximum chaos and at home against a good team, we would pull off something spectacular. I remember 'calling' a few Wire upsets in advance using this rule over the next few years, though sadly never confident enough to put money on them! I think this was the week when Dorahy had just been sacked and Cullen who was still in the playing staff was put in charge as coach, although after we won, it became "Murphy was in charge with Cullen".
The demise of =#FF0000Richard Henare. He had been the Nigel Vagana of the year before, and there was a lot of excitement going in to the season about how he would do. It soon became clear that this was a guy with issues and his form went downhill before him being sacked for disciplinary reasons. For a while I saw him as the great lost hope, but he never got out of the Championship after that.'"
Chips & mayonnaise with a side of very young ladies were his downfall.
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| Quote sally cinnamon="sally cinnamon"
Anyway, we're getting off topic. Eagar and Fogarty were just a twinkle in DVDVs eye, back in 97 when we had Vagana and Dallas Mead.
'" Well you brought 98 up.......wink
I was glad for 98. I looked forward to Fogarty, when he first ran out for us. Didn't last long
Eagar was the shining light in another drab year
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| Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Chips & mayonnaise with a side of very young ladies were his downfall.'"
All taken back to his flat just off Irwell Road.
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| Quote MorePlaymakersNeeded="MorePlaymakersNeeded"Chips & mayonnaise with a side of very young ladies were his downfall.'"
I know Henare's landlord
He's told me a couple of stories, over the years
No surprises that he never got to appear on University Challenge.
Not the brightest.
Bloody enjoyed watching him play, though.
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| Quote lefty goldblatt="lefty goldblatt"Well you brought 98 up.......wink
I was glad for 98. I looked forward to Fogarty, when he first ran out for us. Didn't last long
Eagar was the shining light in another drab year'"
1998 - Adam Doyle, enough said.
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| As someone who has watched plenty of non-SL rugby, I remember Henare signing for Carlisle in the mid-90's.
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