Why? I've not strayed onto the Wigan board have I?

Who needs a fishing licence to get a bite from a numpty such as your self!

So then, what you are, in effect saying, is that you do not really have anything to offer bar coming on here to troll people and look for bites?

Given that it is a pretty emotional day for many people then that really says a lot about you really. You must be so proud of yourself. The word I used was "crass." That was actually too complimentary really.

Stay classy.

I'm not the Troll on here, take a good look at yerself and stop indulging in yer own brand of rhetoric!

This is an emotive topic and I accept I myself am pulling no punches. If somehow we can keep walking that grey area between robust discussion and one on one slagging off, we might be able to keep the thread open.

However, despite the EU Referendum having such a *shakes head * devastating effect on Australian-based ex-pats, it must be added that here, in the UK, in Europe, it could get very messy.

The power that the UK holds has clearly been under-estimated. The French and Dutch are very interested in following us out the door, and, domestically, the Union will get broken up.

I realise that people must be hurting 12000 miles away but I genuinely fear for the real victims of this decision, those in Northern Ireland. They have not exactly ever had their problems to seek and I think it could be very worrying for them as their own calls for Independence by the republicans will be loud and clear. Added to the recent "return" of paramilitary activity in Ulster it really could not happen at a worse time.

I am absolutely gutted by the way that it has all turned out as the English nationalists have now pretty much split up the UK completely.

Yet some seem to think it is time for petty points scoring....

Like it or not, those who have voted to leave the EU have now ensured the break up of the United Kingdom.

There's no melodrama here; Scotland will certainly become independent as a consequence.

Maybe we still are, you must know better than me. My point was, these refugees that Turkey had pointed in direction of the UK are mostly of military age and have created havoc in Germany and Sweden,the ones that have already gone there.. Of this there is no doubt. Im just stating I am glad that they may not be now coming to our shores. Anyway,, thats the end of my participation in this discusion on this subject. Two points this weekend is what Id like to see against Halifax. Thank you for your discusion on my dissemination of the subject in hand.

Absolutely correct.

I posted on my FB earlier my thoughts on it all. Scotland has 57 out of 59 Westminster MP's represented by the SNP, a healthy majority in Holyrood and now a 100% clean sweep for remain over-ruled by the majority of England and Wales. I cannot find any argument for Scotland now to stay in the UK whatsoever and that saddens me. This is how it affects me. And it hurts.

Just stick to calling over 35% of the country cretins, muppets and racists. That's perfectly acceptable.

And my point is that it's the 1951 Convention that has way, way, way more to do with how many refugees there are in this country than the EU does.

The issue many people voted on was not even slightly solved by their vote.

Not my country.

We got royally shafted.

Glad the referendum is over. For what it's worth, I voted out, but would have gracefully accepted defeat if the 'In' side won.

I watched the interview with Sturgeon this morning, very emotional, and i'm sure she will get a huge backing, but the Scottish vote wasn't as one sided as everyone is making out. There were 1 or 2 voting to leave the EU. also, I don't even think there is a guarantee that Scotland will get another Referendum. Otherwise it sets a precedent that there will be a Scottish referendum every time something happens that has an impact on Scotland, which isn't viable.

Either way, the dust now needs to settle, we have an interesting couple of years ahead, and the UK will only survive if everyone (In and Out voters) work together for the benefit of the Kingdom.

Also, I don't believe that every 'Out' voter is uneducated or a Racist (I voted out and I am neither), and I have read more social media posts from out voters, containing educated and reasoned arguments, than I did from any 'In' voter.

We now have to work together for the UK to prosper.

Let's deal in facts here. "Every Scottish local authority area voted in favour of Remain." That is 100% of the country voted to stay in. 1 or 2 didn't vote to leave. 62% of all the votes cast were for Remain.

So, a 100% win is not one-sided? Tell me then what is?

That's the thing with referendums. The agitators agitate until they get one and win it. If you're always at roughly 50% that's how it is.

(Unless you're 50% of a society agitating to join another society, at which point fsck off - because you now need the consent of the rest of the society you're looking to join).

Last night, when the early results came in Farage gave the beginnings of a concession speech, he was already preparing the ground for another one. And there'd have been another after that. It would have gone on and on until the right answer was given, a bit like the repeated efforts to get the EU constitution through.

But a marginal victory the other way is how it is forever. And that's where we are.

I now have to reconcile myself to the number of family members who seem to think it was a referendum on the metric system.

Absolutely spot on. And this is what will happen up here. With all due respect, i think that daveyz666 is being somewhat naive here.

It's quite astonishing when you look at places like Barnsley which voted nearly 70% in favour of leaving; a town with much lower than average immigration and one that has benefited from EU-delivered coalfield regeneration. Thatcher screwed them over and now they have Johnson/Gove to look forward to. Plus, with Scotland likely to leave, they'll end up in a permanently Tory country. Truly, turkeys voting for Christmas.

Who will? Us? Or Barnsley?

I thought you were trolling for a minute there, but then though you might be unaware of the actual facts.

The result of the EU referendum is not based on regions, you argument of regions has no relevance to the outcome of the vote. The only fact that mattered in the vote was how many people voted in vs how many people voted out.

The "Facts" are that in Scotland 1,018,322 people voted to leave, 1,661,191 voted to stay.

Not really a 100% win for Stay, more of a 62% win. As I said in the original post, not as clear cut as you are making out.

Like it or not, Scotland contributed to the outcome, with over 1 million votes. If I referred to Scotland as "She" or "Her", would this help? (not a pop at you there ME, more at Sturgeons speech...)

They were yesterday because when results were given they remarked on reason for spoilt papers.

Did you read the bit where I said one on one?

Regarding the call for a Scottish referendum, it's unanimous. Everybody in Scotland that was approached and asked if the vote meant a new referendum on independence replied "good God I hope not". Seems they are referendumed out (and who can blame them)

First of all, please, yet again, highlight my utter disdain for the SNP and all that they stand for. They are a dangerous outfit and one of the reasons I was a highly passionate NO voter during Indyref. So whatever Sturgeon says is usually an assault on my ear-drums in all honesty. Despite her apparent "passion" for the EU, she is absolutely delighted inside. The Nats know now that that result last night pretty much will guarantee a Scottish exit from the UK now. Sturgeon has fought all her political life for an Independent Scotland. What do people think that she would prefer.

1. Staying in the EU and having no mandate for an Indyref 2, or,
2. Leaving the EU and massively increasing your chance of fulfilling your political dream?

62% did indeed vote for remain, as opposed to 38% leave. The figures were, however, very convincing. Regardless of it being based on votes rather than regions, the simple fact is that EVERY region in Scotland, from the prosperous suburbs down to the lower class villages, voted for the Remain campaign and it was a complete victory, top to tail.

Had it been "first past the post" then it would have been 100% and it is silly to suggest that it could have been 100% in terms of votes cast really. Regardless, Every single region in Scotland added positive figures to the Remain campaign, even in the Border regions that were considered to be more Euroscpetic.

It was a landslide really, but now, thanks to other countries I passionate fought to stay with merely 18 months ago, Indyref 2 and Independence will happen.

The most obvious result of the Out vote is that Catalan should now be expelled from SL to be replaced by the Bulls. Who'd have thought it would be easier to get the UK out of the EU than it was to get the Bulls promoted.