I refer the honourable gentleman to posts I have made earlier about the unsatisfactory and now unacceptable team performance. And also my location...

Poor performance is not connected with having little money - until and unless of course it means players are not paid or it otherwise impacts on them. I've not seen anyone excusing poor performance with lack of money. What I HAVE seen is a few people pointing out that there is not the money there to splash out on chequebook solutions.

For the last time - WHERE is the money coming from?? As far as I can tell, the club is living pretty well hand to mouth (and it won't be the only one). So I repeat - where, please? What would YOU do if you had a major household emergency, had no savings, had no tangible assets to sell, had declining income from one at least of your main sources, had no debts but were not able to borrow any significant amount of money, but had to find a decent wadge from somewhere at short order?

Serious question!

I don't know. But do we ignore the main problem which is effecting the club that their isn't any sign of noticeable improvement on any front. Ther is also the growing discontent of an increasing amount fans who seam to have the feeling that we are treated as idiots by the club. I know of a fair amount of people who are seriously contemplating not renewing their season ticket next year mainly due to the performance's this year. But the letter which came with last years renewal form hasn't helped the one where we would be "excited" by the signings for this season. It's easy to say that we can't afford to change but sooner rather than later it will get to the stage where we can't afford not to make the change.

Me neither

That's what makes this all so bloody frustrating. Maybe we sit and pray for Mick Gledhill to win a few million and plough most of it into the club? After all, that's about as likely as anything else on the horizon.

It makes you wonder just how much lasting and potentially fatal damage the Harris debacle with Leeds did us. Gives you a nice warm feeling inside doesn't it, to think that Leeds managed to do to us off the pitch what for quite a few years they were not able to do to us on it? Makes you feel even better when you think that - as it belatedly transpired - the damage appeared to be substantially self-inflicted at the hands of certain people no longer with us, who somehow failed to give us the whole picture at the time.

Maybe if our lot can just stop collapsing as soon as the other side pile some pressure on, we can turn the corner. Maybe I'll find a pot of gold at the bottom of my garden. Maybe if I DID, I'd not be dumb enough to plough it into the bottomless pit that is any kind of sporting club...

But IMO the Harris mess is being repeated now because we aren't dealing with our growing problems which are effecting us at this present time.

Without going into details, I have very good reason to KNOW that to be so.

I am pretty sure he actually said the full cap was available to McNamara. We're obviously not currently spending that full amount, but where did he lie?

Well he may have said he's allowed full cap in the press, but in actual fact told him he can't?

Or more likely the full cap was going to be spent at the time but something has changed on the budget front (season tickets, cash flow, non returning sponsor? - I don't know) that makes it less prudent (Thank you Mr Broon) to spend the full cap now.

If, as is being suggested on here, McNamara is on about £100 grand a year (!!!!!!!) and was offered a four and a half year deal, we have basically invested nearly half a million pounds on him!

Now I have no idea why you are bringing up a point I did not actually make (bar the fact that you seem to have a bit of form for this) but, I will explain. IF we are so skint (as is widely acknowledged) then why did we set aside this sort of money to pay a rookie coach over such a long time? Because now, three years down the line, with crowds dwindling and more and more people becoming disillusioned with the club, we seemingly cannot afford to pay him off. (oddly enough, this was another point I made a while back but I was shot down in flames for suggesting that McNamara would only stay in his job because we could not afford to sack him. Strange to see people taking this view now and moralising.... )

Anyway - 100 grand a year? Almost 4 grand a GAME????? Rather than say that



I wonder if you could maybe argue if we have had much value for money from this appointment? And, also, maybe ask yourself if that 100 grand a year could maybe have been slightly better spent? And also, why give an unproven coach such a long and expensive contract?

Or maybe the right words were used at a fan's forum in order to try and attract more people to the club based on promises that may not have been kept due to the economic situation that they could later rely on for comfort?

We are being Hoodwinked.












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Maybe not. Maybe, as I keep saying, the club is having to tread a fine line on cash flow, and this restricts the opportunities (not that some people on here seem to ever listen to that argument).

Or maybe we are, or are close, but people assume we are not in comparison with the comparative perceived quality of squads. Some of the points I have raised regarding the "flexible" nature of the cap if certain devices are employed (and the naivity in assuming that players of a club spending to the cap are always actually receiving no more than the cap in total) in relevant circumstances might help explain that.

As for what head coaches get paid - I don't have any specific information. But do people expect them to do a job in the top flight - where you could get sacked at any time and where you have a very uncertain career future - for nothing? And when senior players are on substantial packages? And remember you have to add maybe 20% for NI, insurance and other on-costs. The naivity sometimes is breathtaking.

Unfortunately true. As for the money argument, our success since '97 was never related to the money we spent. Up until the Harris signing we were just very good at getting great value from our signings.

Could be along the lines of:

SM - "If you want me to go, that's how much I want to be paid"
Hands piece of paper with figure written on.
PH - "You are doing a good job, lets assess the situation at the end of the season"








maybe...

Unfortunately the cost of running Odsal since 2003 along with some poor decisions made on signings has really cost us.

Spite?

I think we also need to add in the fact that there are now more clubs in SL and more of them are (reportedly) paying the full cap as against fewer than half a few years back.

This means that the value of a top rated player is greater than it was (even in 2005) and the cap amount has been more or less static over the same period. More clubs chasing the same number of players means that any single club will logically have fewer stars than they did. Unless, of course, you can come up with some wizard accounting method which allows the cap to be circumvented....................

Its a good job the various devices I have flagged up over the last week or so have been completely hypothetical, isn't it? After all, we can all see how the cap is now working to ensure that each team has pretty well the same average level of ability and experience in the squad, with no clubs having a surfeit of internationals, so that just goes to prove no-one CAN be up to wizard accounting tricks. Doesn't it? No, really...

Okay, so while the topic is still regarding McNamara not being sacked..

While I was one of the many saying his time as head coach should come to a halt - I'm now backtracking after last night and will now reserve further judgment until after a few more games - just to see how we back it up.

One little snippet to show what a useless coach Macca clearly is: when we ran that penalty in front of the sticks - from which ultimately Worrincy scored - Macca clearly told the team to run it. Never gets anything right with his tactics, does he?

What a fraud, surely must have been a fluke that the 'chump' got his side up for a game against a top side. What with his clueless coaching, naive tactics and him spending the game colouring with his crayons. Blah blah blah...

Whether McNamara is a 'top coach' is perhaps still up for debate, but some of the bile posted about him on here has been grossly unfair. Just hope the players can continue on now and string some decent 80 minute performances together.

Awful attempt at a dig ignored, until he starts winning such games regularly, a fluke is very much what this will be viewed as. It was an excellent win, yes, but the guy is/was under pressure for a reason and he and the team have to build on this. We shall see where we go from here before the supplies of andrex run out in some parts of west yorkshire.

I heard that all supplies had been diverted to Scotland following our cup loss to Catalans.

Or maybe it was the supplies of Kleenex running out in some parts of Scotland last night?

I know that last night was much improved on recent weeks but a few posters on here are getting a little carried away.

Indeed some are.