what a show ... time and time again these last few years, we are up for the top sides but fail so much against the bottom

lol ... poop was used instead of sh*t

york .. batley ... games we should be putting to bed but we always find a way to lose lol

Sadly all very predictable - why can't we string 6 or 7 wins together? Seems like we win 2 or 3 matches and we know a half d effort is on its way!

I imagine they were aiming for 2nd or 3rd this year, unless they get out of this habit they can forget it.

As others have said, very disappointing and sadly very predictable.

There really does seem a mental block to these lesser games, especially away from home. I thought lessons may have been learnt around complacency and game management, it would appear not.

It makes those big wins seem like a bit of a waste of time pffft

way off being good enough to finish second this season.

Again, looked comfortable for 20minutes, totally in control. Started to bring the bench on and we looked soft in defence. Still had enough chances to finish the game off but poor decisions and game management screwed us. Interesting to see the replay as the last Batley try was right in front of us and looked like a knock on.

i get where you are coming from ... but we shouldnt be looking at one incident during the the game. .... we should be making our own luck

Shows how important Lawrence is to us. I'd love to see the win/loss ratio when he's not in the side particularly against teams towards the bottom. Drives me nuts that because he may not have the explosivness of a Scurr or Doro some fans think he doesn't do anything. Most important player for me.

Yep. He is wearing 13. Baldwinson is rusty, but we could go Baldwinson and * Doro to start. Fenton & Scurr on the bench. And Lawrence can play the full 80 as a 13. He’s got the skills and the nous for it. He can nearly manage 80 as a prop!

We are consistently inconsistent. Another frustrating afternoon that reminded me of the dark days of Kear/Dunning.

Despite showing our capability by defeating some of the top teams in the league, our inconsistency against some of the lower-ranked teams remains a persistent issue. During the game, we were unable to capitalise on several scoring opportunities and made numerous unforced errors, ultimately falling short against a Batley team that did the simple things right and won the game. Our game management in the final 5 minutes was appallingly bad. It's very unlike Lilley to miss so many chances to win the game.

This pattern of underperformance against weaker teams continues to plague the club, highlighting a longstanding challenge that we have yet to overcome. Barrow at home next week will be another massive challenge and they will be riding high after beating Featherstone.

I find it absolutely staggering that people are begging for Flanagan back…. The fact he is on loan at a league 1 club speaks volumes it’s his level

Some of our more vocal fans on Facebook haven't a clue about the way the game is played.

Our game management problem continues. This has been an issue for years. The only constant in that time is Lilley. We’ve changed fullback several times, hooker several times, the pack has turned over personnel and Lilley has had a lot of different half back partners. Is Gaskell the short term answer? Who has Lilley worked well with in all his time here? Brough was probably the best but he was on one leg most of the time. Ott hasn’t worked in the halves, is fine at hooker. Davies worked ok twice but probably through shock value. Jowitt hasn’t worked. Holmes was ok but he’s a better FB.

Re Flanagan, some think if you clap your hands t the ruck it brings speed and enthusiasm. Unfortunately for Flanagan he has a lot of haste but not much speed. He was like an oil tanker trying to slide across the defensive line in the early season games. There's a huge difference between Championship and L1.

Think the main issue with this team is a lack of leadership and rugby brain in the playmaking positions. That's been an issue off and on for ages. When Gaskell, Lawrence and Smith are out we're completely rudderless.

Against Batley we clearly followed the gameplan for about 15-20 mins and the rest of the time did our own thing. It was infuriating to see the side utterly ignore the fundamentals of trying to go forward and instead chuck aimless passes wide to players stood still. The main culprits were the halfbacks.

I like Lilley at hooker but he's not the organising halfback we need. He's not a leader, never has been, nor is he quick enough. As for Ott he looked lost. Clearly he's not up to calling the shots, at least not yet and he's also too slow for halfback. Holmes is a runner. Jowitt is a runner too. Gaskell is very injury prone. Davies is probably the least worst option until Gaskell comes back.

The sort of rugby we played against Batley belied any kind of rugby brains at all. When we did the basics we looked miles better. Fulton looked unstoppable off the back of the go forward we got in the pack. After 20 mins I don't think he got another decent pass for the rest of the game. For some reason, and EOC said he's find out the answer, we changed to play short-cut rugby. We can speculate on why that was the case - I believe that some players are lacking the mental aptitude required and don't have the ability or confidence to take charge.

Agreed. He’s 38 FFS. Even in his prime he wasn’t a top-level championship player. The occasionally barge over try and some think he’s Ben Elias. As dummy half you need to pick your moment and George overplays that hand. He’s no kicking game and his passing is all over the place now. The contrast between Flanagan’s passing and Souter’s is incredible. Souter’s passes are quick and accurate, Flanagan’s can end up anywhere and used to cost valuable time as the first receiver had to adjust. I could go on. He may be a great lad off the field but that’s it.

From what i've heard, EoC has his work cut out with some of this squad and its starting to show in some of the decisions he has/is making. That includes Flanagan going to on loan and Blackmore being released.

EoC hasn't left France to come and coach a side in the Championship... he wants to be coaching at the highest level. However he faces a clear split in the camp.

On one half you have aspirational players who want to work their way into SL. On the other half you have a group of seasoned Championship players who would either struggle to take the step up (either through age or ability) or simply don't want to (i.e. they have good solid careers away from rugby and being full time professionals would not work for them financially).

I've been told more than once that the way the team train is much more suited to a full time environment. Tougher, higher intensity training (especially after a full days work) is being blamed by some players as a cause for the lengthy injury list, whilst others just aren't enjoying it as much and think the fun is being taken out of sessions. And this apparently is causing friction.

If that is true, I'd expect to see quite a few leaving the squad over the next couple of months, with a major overhaul coming in for 2025. I cannot see EoC changing his philosophy and the club have backed themselves into a corner with his long contract so they cannot do anything other than to back him.

Well if that's the case I'd back EOC everytime. We can't complain about players not having the right attitude for the lesser teams if they have that attitude for training.

If that's the case then we're in for an interesting ride.

EOC's approach may work but it relies on us keeping those aspirational players and not having them picked off by SL teams. Okoro is one we've already lost this year and I can see Doro going the same way. How will the club keep these players and build a decent squad while they don't have a reasonable chance of getting into SL due to the state of the ground? Do the club think they're genuinely in with a shout of getting SL status? Or are we going to rely on really good recruitment and coaching and manage the inevitable departure of our better players?

I think this was part of Featherstone’s problem the last couple of years. They definitely had the best senior part time players in the comp, who knew they still had 2 or 3 years in the championship being the best but had zero interest in giving up good jobs to go to SL

It was also our problem in 2015 and 2016 before we went part time.

We'd regularly come up against part time teams that contained part timers that were on their day better than what we had as fulltime

Unless recruitment is really smart this is what we could risk again.

I'm still not sure how you sell this to prospective players and how you keep anyone who gets genuine interest from a SL team.

For me you're either full time or part time.

I’ve heard similar to BIEL above although I don’t have sources that I’m sure they have but rumours of fall outs are matching up. Certain players blaming EOC / EOC deciding a player wouldn’t be at the club if he was here when contracts were sorted last year. All makes for interesting watching but we know something has to give because this valiant display against decent sides and undercooked showings vs everyone else is dull for the fans who keep dropping away.

The club need to back EOC. We’ve got no chance until we go back to full time whatever it takes. Unless we decide to forget all about it and stop setting these targets of promotion

Some worrying signs there if those reports are correct.

It's also a very difficult place to get out of once those divisions have started, which is why across sport we usually see the coach / manager go (it being easier to remove one person rather than many).

I'm with others in that we probably need to stick with EoC and let him bring players in the fit with and believe in his ethos.
You can't really grumble at any of the signings made on his watch. Fulton being a real stand out.

Maybe if we want training to be more fun, we can go back to the days of Crossley, Walker struggling to fit into their shirts and plodding around the field again.

Apparently some of our recent ex-players used to take the mickey and abuse teammates that did extras at training and stuff like that. I suspect there is still some legacy of that pub team culture knocking about. While I can understand the need to handle part time players differently to fulltime players you have to have high standards. The challenge is where you pitch it.

EOC will need to keep the dressing room on side but at the same time raise standards and weed out those that aren't up to it. It's a fine balancing act. Is he up to it? We'll soon find out. Nobby and Greenwood got a tune out of this squad late on last year (albeit with fewer injuries and some better players Segeyaro/Baitieri etc). Did they handle the man management better or were they just luckier with the resources available?