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| For more information [urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/2015_a_new_era[/url......
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| Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"
Dual Reg - Dual Reg will remain in some form in 2015.
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Ridiculous, and open to abuse if the procedures and rules for it are not tight enough or policed well enough by the RFL......
Lets say Hull FC duel reg 4 SL quality players who "need gametime" with Donny mid season (for eg) Donny then get into the middle 8 as a result, Hull FC fall into the middle 8 and withdraw their players - giving an advantage to Hull and stuffing Donny at short notice, and the team that missed out on the middle 8 to Donny might not be too impressed either. I can see these rules being a farce.
It was a bad enough idea when the leagues were seperate, now the leagues join up in the playoffs its a terrible idea IMHO.
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| Will they be holding a course on it? If they started one in the next couple of weeks then by January someone might understand it, provided they do ever finalise the actual details.
Dual reg "in some form" for example, my arris.
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| and we still dont even know if we're playing for 2 or 3 points in a match...finalized? dont make me laugh.
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| [i"At this stage it is intended that the Summer Bash and one match from every week of the Qualifiers will be broadcast live."[/i
Slightly disappointing that there won't be ANY weekly games from the Championship on tv. Only the weekend in Blackpool and some of the playoff games are to be shown.
Although it does say 'live', so I suppose there is still some scope for pre-recorded games to be shown.
It's still a backward step from when the champ games were on premier sports, it almost feels like Sky have bought the rights to the championship but then aren't bothering to do anything with it?
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| Got a feeling bonus points will come into it as well with RFL retweeting those who want it.
Dual reg is a farce. Also don't agree with the top 8 coming into round 6 of CC. They get a huge advantage in everything. What the RFL are going to end up doing with "making every game competitive"'is te same playing teams playing each other all the time and saturating it. Wigan could play Saints 6 times next year. I know there is a possibility with it now, but with the top 8 teams coming into CC much later, it narrows chances of ten playing each other.
Whoever I finishes top 8 this year will finish too 8 for future seasons due to difference in attendances.
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| Can anyone else see the flaw in the 12 points for going into Admin?
A team who is destined to be in the bottom 4 of SL (let's use Wakefield as completely random example ) has financial issues. They go into Admin one game from the end of the regular season, and lose 12 points.
But it doesn't matter a jot if they were going to finish in the bottom four anyway, because the slate gets wiped clean for the Super 8, and they'll still have their full salary cap and SL players.
Any team with financial problems can use this device to clear their debts whilst remaining in SL
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Can anyone else see the flaw in the 12 points for going into Admin?
A team who is destined to be in the bottom 4 of SL (let's use Wakefield as completely random example
) has financial issues. They go into Admin one game from the end of the regular season, and lose 12 points.
But it doesn't matter a jot if they were going to finish in the bottom four anyway, because the slate gets wiped clean for the Super 8, and they'll still have their full salary cap and SL players.
Any team with financial problems can use this device to clear their debts whilst remaining in SL'"
Don't worry as august and wise a body as the RFL will have already thought about that, err surely.
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| Quote ="Duckman"Ridiculous, and open to abuse if the procedures and rules for it are not tight enough or policed well enough by the RFL......
Lets say Hull FC duel reg 4 SL quality players who "need gametime" with Donny mid season (for eg) Donny then get into the middle 8 as a result, Hull FC fall into the middle 8 and withdraw their players - giving an advantage to Hull and stuffing Donny at short notice, and the team that missed out on the middle 8 to Donny might not be too impressed either. I can see these rules being a farce.
It was a bad enough idea when the leagues were seperate, now the leagues join up in the playoffs its a terrible idea IMHO.'"
I don't think it actually states on the RFL site that Duel Reg will stay in any form. It just says that a working group is looking at ways to make it work whilst not restricting the ability to give players some game time.
That said, personally I don't see how it would work between the SL and Championship, mainly because the two are integrally linked now.
And in any case, the loan system where players can be recalled just side steps any regulations that would be put in place. The easiest thing is to say that any loans are done until end of season without the option for recalls
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| The obvious solution to the dual reg issue is for SL teams to dual-reg with teams in the Championship One
Problem solved
And I did that without the need for a 'working party'
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| I can't see the top 8 teams in SL changing much when this joke league gets going it will become the same teams playing each other all the time very boring and not doing a lot for an England team selection point of view.
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| Was never a fan of the concept - only agreed with the notion that 4 teams was too many for the talent pool available.
However, now we are relegated I am kind of looking forward to watching the possible effects the system may have on the games.
I'm not convinced the top 8 is clear cut - the top 4/5 maybe.
This time last season I don't think anyone would have predicted Castlefords spectacular rise up the ratings - it just goes to show that surprises can still happen.
I think I will enjoy the battles to stay in the top 8 - but I guess our squeeky bum time follows that when we get involved. The thought of failure at this point and the tensions involved will certainly make for some sweaty palms.
There is the strong possibility of a return of knee jerk/panic decisions, coach sackings and buying of players, debts... etc. And there will be added pressure on referees and decisions which could possibly relegate (or promote) a team...
Hmmm
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| Bit worried about 12 points for going into Admin. I'm waiting for the RFL to announce it is retrospective and dock us points next year.
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| Quote ="hindle xiii"Thread on TRL says no parachute payments...?'"
Afaik they mean going forward after this year. Parachute payment for us and London is one off due to change in structure. Should a team drop down next year or after they won't get a parachute payment.
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| As it has been said you can go into administration get 12 points deducted slide to the bottom of SL1 and still be in SL1 next year if you get in the top 4 of SL2 so not really a penalty is it!!
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| Quote ="mat"Afaik they mean going forward after this year. Parachute payment for us and London is one off due to change in structure. They just aren't calling it that and are instead giving us an increased central funding amount. Should a team drop down next year or after they wont get a increased central funding amount.'"
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| Quote ="mat"Afaik they mean going forward after this year. Parachute payment for us and London is one off due to change in structure. Should a team drop down next year or after they won't get a parachute payment.'"
Blake Solly just said we and London aren't getting a parachute payment
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Blake Solly just said we and London aren't getting a parachute payment'"
He also said we would be receiving around £750,000 to make sure we stay full time
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| Quote ="bfdbull1979"He also said we would be receiving around £750,000 to make sure we stay full time'"
True but that's our central funding. How much are the rest of the Championship clubs receiving as he said we and London are getting the larger slice
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"True but that's our central funding. How much are the rest of the Championship clubs receiving as he said we and London are getting the larger slice'"
All their doing is merging the parachute payment into the central funding amount. In the FAQ about new structure it says increased central funding this year only. Iirc correctly top two in championship also get extra prize money this year to boost their central funding up to a similar amount. Hence why Featherstone sacked their coach and started signing players mid season when extra money was announced before nahaboo pulled out.
Central funding for championship is stupid under new system. how much you get depends on your finishing position the season before with team finishing top getting most and dropping approx 50k for each league position. Iirc in restructure proposal they were talking about 550k for top stepping down to 150k for bottom placed team. Notice how much were getting just happens to be pretty much the top amount plus an amount similar to what was being touted as the parachute payment.
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| Nowhere in that faq does it actually discuss the level of funding clubs will be receiving in 2015. Is that because final league standings haven't been decided yet?
I'm curious as to why it would be completely overlooked. And I want more info than just 'increased annual central funding'. I want numbers.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Nowhere in that faq does it actually discuss the level of funding clubs will be receiving in 2015. Is that because final league standings haven't been decided yet?
I'm curious as to why it would be completely overlooked. And I want more info than just 'increased annual central funding'. I want numbers.'"
It doesn't mention figures in FAQ but it does in the t&a article. Specifically says central funding starts at 750k each for us and London and then a sliding scale down to 150k for bottom club.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Can anyone else see the flaw in the 12 points for going into Admin?
A team who is destined to be in the bottom 4 of SL (let's use Wakefield as completely random example
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But it doesn't matter a jot if they were going to finish in the bottom four anyway, because the slate gets wiped clean for the Super 8, and they'll still have their full salary cap and SL players.
Any team with financial problems can use this device to clear their debts whilst remaining in SL'"
It's no different to now. Your previous administrations didn't result in any real penalty. It's arguable that this year's penalty was more to do with losing your players for lack of cash rather than the points deduction; you got four back from us quite easily.
What about writing a letter?
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"It's no different to now. Your previous administrations didn't result in any real penalty. It's arguable that this year's penalty was more to do with losing your players for lack of cash rather than the points deduction; you got four back from us quite easily.
What about writing a letter?
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That's actually pretty much spot on, imo.
It wasn't the six points which did us but the loss of half our competition money. Despite OK's daft assertions that it didn't matter and how he would carry on anyway, the amount of money forfeited was more than the amount owed. Without that second period in admin and with that money we would have kept Scruton, Carvell and Sammutt and quite possibly Bateman and Whitehead too along with some of the juniors who have jumped ship. I'm sure some may argue the point, but in my mind there is no way that team would have been languishing in the bottom two, six points or no.
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| Solly also said the dual reg will need looking at and we may end up with a sort of "cup tied" situation for players.
They should simply set a cut off date for sending players out or loaning them in. After say, June 1st, all players stay put. SL clubs would need to decide to bring them back in case they need them. If they don't bring them back they stay with the championship club till the end of the season. It would stop the 1 month or possible 7 game loans. I would even include overseas loan players like London did with that half back two years ago. Get them in before June 1st or it's too late.
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