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| Quote ="staffbull1973"Why don't you email him all the above and see what response you get rather than stoking up a frenzy on here?'"
The Chairman answering my uncomfortable email would not be on his agenda. I will also chose which platform may have more validity. I'm not seeking your blessing.
Quote ="staffbull1973"What is your desired outcome? '"
That an incompetent Chairman is no longer in a position to further damage the club. By definition it should be rhetorical.
Quote ="staffbull1973"People read your post and have second thoughts about pledging? Doesn't matter who is driving the ship then, if it's sinking does it.'"
If they chose to have second thoughts, that's their choice but is not my objective. Your sinking ship analogy, as topical as it may be, isn't accurate.
Quote ="staffbull1973"Pathetic timing, probably valid qyestions'"
I'm not interested on your assessment of the timing. Hood has had long enough to be candid and open about the situation. He hasn't been.
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| Surely it's "run a bath" not "run a shower"?
There are lots of questions to answer and as usual when there's nothing coming from the club the speculation starts.
I'd ask all posters to be careful what they post as we haven't the funds to be getting into legal scraps.
In the meantime I'm sitting tight and waiting to see what's in today's announcement. There's nothing I can do about the club's plight now apart from support the team on the field. Sniping about who has or hasn't done something bad isn't going to make things better at the moment. Whatever comes of the next few weeks I hope we get a new more honest approach in future, from whoever runs things.
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| to be honest this sounds to me .... MY own personal view on this offensive rant that ...
if it is "chris" thats rambling on here and that IF you do get back in at Odsal after the mire YOU left us in I for one and no doubt a few others would not be renewing my season ticket again ......
thats just how much i trust "Chris"
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"I wonder at what stage in his smokescreening and intricate, web of lies, is Mr Hood going to admit the core reason behind the debt surfacing in the last 2 weeks?
At what stage will he admit that it is a huge VAT bill dating back two years that has lead to this shambolic mess?
At what stage will he stop falsifying spurious claims that HMRC are becoming in some way merciless in collecting monies owed. They're not. They are in the business of negotiation as with any creditor as any tax mitigator explain and undertake on the clubs behalf.
At what stage will Mr Hood admit that by naming the season tickets "memberships" he felt that no VAT was payable in the last 2 years of pledges and consequently being responsible for the current shambles? (That he even thought that possible is laughable and indicative of his narcissistic, yet ironically naive, nature)
At what point will he simply admit he is thoroughly incapable of running a shower, let alone a professional sports club?
At what point will he not realise how clumsy it appears, having stated publicly that he and Bennett could secure the bank overdraft at least "ten times over", that not making up the £480,000 to £500,000 between them (yes a whopping £20k!) knowing it would a) bring an air of positivity to a Saturday morning announcement and b) provide a huge level of comfort to fans if not creditors? That they haven't illustrates the level of the problem.
At what point will Mr Hood think fans are stupid enough to believe HMRC would issue a Good Friday bank holiday deadline, that is then magically forgotten about by all parties?
At what point will Mr Hood think we are all even more stupid to see how the deadline shifts to suit his own mantra from 5pm Good Friday to "post reconciliation of crowd/attendance figures" at 10pm, to Saturday morning to post Easter weekend to account for bucket collections? This was always going to be a live and evolving figure. He knew this prior to the initial announcement.
At what point is he going to HONESTLY admit that he knew all along the ground lease sell to the RFL was simply to facilitate a debt from a six figure loan (twice) from the governing body and they made no unexpected demands on paying it back "early"
At what point is he going to admit, the overdraft withdrawal had genuine reasons behind it and it wasn't merely RBS toy throwing to irritate the club and instead was based on their solid commercial analysis?
At what point is he going to admit his series of catastrophic errors and simply step down from the burning decks?
At what point is he going to address the huge elephant in the room that the overall figure is far greater than he admits?
At what point does he feel offering and making public domain, new contracts for Whitehead and Bateman 4 days prior to the huge debt announcement makes any commercial sense given the likelihood of the club going into administration? All contracts would be subsequently null and void and with vultures circling (rightly) in the form of Warrington, Leeds, Hull etc, no transfer fee would be obtained and hence simply adding by definition of increased salary payments, to the overall debt (salaries which incidentally it seems you can't pay this month).
At what point is he going to respond to Chris Caisley's public suggestion one way or another? At least saying "erm, no" would illustrate he has a backbone.
The fans, sponsors, staff and players have never at any point deserved such blatant smokescreening, lies and contempt he has shown. Nor does him cow towing, nodding and aligning himself with Eamonn McManus and Neil Hudgell's critique of the governing body, in any way, mitigate his shambolic handling of a once great club.
This is a sad, sad mess, created by a Chairman with business sense more suited to Greece. It's time for you to do the honourable thing. Leave. Because we all know you won't ever be honest.'"
1. Don't you, in your obviously much more informed position, think that this is the wrong place to be asking these questions, we are after all merely fans here.
2. Can I claim my £5.00 please as I know who you are, I can then happily take it to Odsal and hand it to Peter Hood myself with your best regards.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"<snip>'"
We all know that Hood leaves a lot to be desired. That's not the issue. The issue is what we do about it. And the consensus here on RAB appears to be to pledge, do our bit to help Bradford avoid administration, and deal with the consequences of the almighty cockups that have led us to this point.
This seems to be the outcome of a large number of people's own personal cost/benefit analyses regarding what to do. Where's yours?
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| Think some of us have formed our owns views as to his already?
Revenge?
With the poor, in too many cases unsuspecting, fans as the foot-soldiers.
Getting rattled, Chris? Breached any good confidentiality agreements recently?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Think some of us have formed our owns views as to his already?
Revenge?
With the poor, in too many cases unsuspecting, fans as the foot-soldiers.
Getting rattled, Chris? [uBreached any good confidentiality agreements recently[/u?'"
Surely nobody would be stupid enough to do something as silly as that would they? Then I remember the pi55ing contest with Leeds over Harrisgate and it all makes sense...............
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| Quote ="Bradford Badger"Surely nobody would be stupid enough to do something as silly as that would they? Then I remember the pi55ing contest with Leeds over Harrisgate and it all makes sense...............'"
I think we're all in for more displays of competitive urination of the next few days but you can only fool some of the people some of the time, not all the people all of the time.
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| If as suggested, this is Mr C, then congratulations, you've made my mind up about you.
Your quite frankly, pathetic and disgusting attempts to derail the pledge scheme by showing up in the T&Alast Thursday (appropriate timing), coupled with your disgraceful and childish remarks on here, have made mine and several other fans minds up.
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| If indeed you are Chris, you are more of a pathetic little man than either I could have imagined......
Where have you been hiding these last 5 years?
Why would you choose to aid the sale of one of our best respects for years?
What actually are YOUR plans?
Peter Hood has spent the last 5 years sorting out the mess you left last time and now there is a sniff of it all being sorted, out you crawl from the gutter. Go back, we don't want you
Ps: happy to discuss any of this with you in personif you wish?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Think some of us have formed our owns views as to his already?
Revenge?
With the poor, in too many cases unsuspecting, fans as the foot-soldiers.
Getting rattled, Chris? Breached any good confidentiality agreements recently?'"
Right, so the claim about the VAT is outright lies then? Similarly, HMRC? Similarly the RFL loans (twice apparently)? Similarly the overall figure we're in debt?
Surely the issue is whether what he is saying is correct and not whether or not he is Chris ******* Caisley?
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| Not really, because a man who wants to take control of a professional sports club should not be airing his dirty libellous laundry on a fans forum.
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| Is there any actual evidence that Gurus Beard is Chris Caisley?
Or is it just something somebody 'overheard in the pub' or - even worse - just made up on the spur of the moment?
Everybody on here seems very sure of it for some reason. Just wondered what that reason was
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Is there any actual evidence that Gurus Beard is Chris Caisley?
Or is it just something somebody 'overheard in the pub' or - even worse - just made up on the spur of the moment?
Everybody on here seems very sure of it for some reason. Just wondered what that reason was
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It's pretty obvious that only Chris Caisley is the only person who could have issue with the superb way Peter Hood has led the club in the last six years and handled this current situation which has arisen only because of things out of his control.
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| He's not Chris Caisley, unless when he stepped down he started supporting Saints!
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| Even more of a pathetic looser then!
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| Quote ="AaronBull"Not really, because a man who wants to take control of a professional sports club should not be airing his dirty libellous laundry on a fans forum.'"
You don't know if he's Chris Caisley and you don't know it's libellous.
If, and it is if, he's lifting the lid on the club's attempts to mislead the fans then surely this is positive.
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| The one about thinking "memberships/season tickets" wouldn't incur VAT is a humdinger of an accusation.
Is there any truth in it?
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| GB has been on the boards for a long time and tbf, has always said it as it is. Some on here do seem very convinced that they know who he is. But then I seem to remember that a lot thought he was Stuart Duffy before...
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| Quote ="anarkik"icon_lol.gif He's not Chris Caisley, unless when he stepped down he started supporting Saints!'"
I prefer the disgruntled ex marketeer rumour. Potentially sacked during the Hood era and now constantly dreaming of the good old days when his good buddy CC was laying the foundations.
Does anyone know who represented Bradford legally during Harrisgate? Someone asked this on the terrace on friday, bet which ever legal genii represented us got paid! Legal fees were a large chunk of that damaging amount that was undoubtebly the start of the rot
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| Whoever it is has made some very strong comments about possible VAT implications of season tickets / memberships that I don't recall seeing anywhere else ( I could be wrong mind you).
This leads me to suspect that is either totally wrong (and a big accusation to make), or, is someone in the know, more than pretty much every other poster on these boards, which subsequently leads to the suspicion that it is someone connected within the club that has access to certain information that has not been forthcoming........possibly through a request to ask the current board to step aside and show the current financial records????
Regardless, well timed either way......just hours before we call the pledge in......more doubt sewed into peoples minds.
There are some good points in the original post - if there is a VAT issue re memberships, that is a big error by the current board.
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| It is academic who GB is - and I have been variously assured at times GB is a disgruntled ex marketing person with a massive and extremely unhealthy grudge, a proxy for Caisley or even the man himself. It matters not - the outcome, and the potential beneficiary especially given the timing, is the same. As is the clear fact that what has been posted can only be either libellous or a result of a serious breach of either duty of or undertaking of confidentiality, and so in both cases potentially subject to legal action. What that should tell you about the sort of person GB is, and GB's motives, can only be a matter for individuals to decide.
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| Can they be libellous if they are true though?
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| Quote ="debaser"Can they be libellous if they are true though?'"
Aye, lad.
Funny old world.
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| I would be gobsmacked if the directors had not got advice from a VAT expert on such an issue, in which case they surely would be looking at said experts professional indemnity policy. some real pot kettle stuff going on, Caisley a solicitor was responsible for Harrisgate, and should be aware that the only winners in a legal dispute however "good" your case are the solicitors as has been proved, and puts anything Hood has done into the shadows.
and as for Hood etc knowing the bank would be doing a serious review: I had the offer (that took five months to obtain) of a import loan facility based on 40 days repayment, however the bank had actually misinterpreted the period i needed, so I put it back to them that I needed 50 days to cover the import/deliver/invoice time, the invoice being factored (with them) for 85% of its value against cost of the stock at 40% so providing plenty of cover. They reviewed the whole deal and withdrew the offer. If I had known they were going to do that I would have air freighted the stuff in rather than shipped and stuck with the 40 days. One week I had a facility, was discussing the documentation etc needed for each importation, the next week nothing.
So I have great respect for the way Hood has stuck at it in what I know to be the worst financial environment for a long long time with no help from anybody other than the fans (and this last few weeks the players). If he has got us to the point of a new investor in the club then as far as I am concerned the ends justifies the means.
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