The irony of a paranoid Wigan fan is not lost on me nor, I suspect, most on here.

Nope, the game's ten times better without that thug around. Thanks for reminding everyone of the prime example of the "Saints reduction factor". Punch a man in the face and fracture his eye socket? Yeah, let's let him off.



See above and remember your salary cap breaches... And how you got away with them. Paranoid? Nah, just a realist.

I dont think wilkin did anything wrong - did not look like he was intentionally aiming to hurt herbert and timing was fine wilkin had hit herbert pretty much as the ball hit his boot.

Remind us how the anti-Wigan RFL let Wigan off will you.

I seem to remember Wigan avoiding relegation by breaching salary cap rules....... But you will already know this as your a Realist!

I see the elephant in the room is being nicely ignored, now that the officials influence is in Bradfords favour.

They didn't. Remember now?



And I remember how Stains won trophies by breaching salary cap rules too. More times than any other team.

But we're digressing. Back to Wilkin. The dirty thug.

Quote ="Fishsta"They didn't. Remember now?'" A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm

Quote ="Fishsta"They didn't. Remember now?'" A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm

Quote ="tigertot"A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm'" And they say Wigan fans live in the past. So we were granted an exemption... As were St Helens! D'oh! Never mind, son. Maybe next time you'll be able to write a reply without resorting to the childish insults.

Quote ="tigertot"A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm'" And they say Wigan fans live in the past. So we were granted an exemption... As were St Helens! D'oh! Never mind, son. Maybe next time you'll be able to write a reply without resorting to the childish insults.

Wigan didnt actually breach the salary cap. They negotiated an exemption in respect of contracts signed before the salary cap was introduced. It could be argued that the RFL should not have granted the exemption but that's not the same as Wigan breaching the cap.

I think reference was actually being made to the time when we signed Stuart Fielden, which would have taken us over the cap had we not renegotiated several other contracts to allow him to fit in under the threshold. Despite that we were told we'd breached the "Spirit" of the cap, and got fined anyway. Brian Noble asked the obvious question, seeing as we were being fined anyway, could we go back and "actually break the cap now?"

The answer was no.

Wrong. Again. The reference was to 2001 when the dodgy bookmaker negotiated an exemption allowing the persecuted Pies to spend £500k more than other SL clubs. Still, I'm happy to forget previous indiscretions as I am you sure you will forgive Saints. If you do I promise to do you a character reference for when you leave school & seek an employer.

Sorry - my reference was that of the year when Wigan were nearly relegated, the year they took Noble and Fielden.

It's a bit ironic of Diskin to say what he did, since his raison d'etre is to run at markers not square from the play-the-ball. Perhaps, referees should let those go as well?

Yeah why not they've been letting voluntary tackles go for years

Well said that man.

I'm wrong... really?



In 2001, Wigan finished 2nd and didn't drop any lower than 5th. So certainly not a year we were concerned with being outside the playoffs, never mind being in the relegation zone.

Keep the desperate childish insults up. It seems to be the thing you're (kind of) good at.

Quote ="tigertot"A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm'" aye, he was a laughing stock on the old bulls board

Quote ="tigertot"A few years ago, prior to you leaving nursery, trawling other teams' sites to pedal your anti-Saints bile & creating childish web sites, they did. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tv_and_ ... 418055.stm'" aye, he was a laughing stock on the old bulls board

How did Wigan get drawn into this.

It was a retort from a Saints fan who disputed the "Saints Reduction Factor" in calculations of bans.

It has been shown to be rubish. Remember the good friday brawl? Wilde holding a player while Newton waded into him. This then turns into Feunati on wilde, scully and Farrel involved too. We had a ban total of 4 or 5 games for that. Not a single wigan player got a ban. Kinda shows your theory to be as poor as the one about the world being flat.

Clearly they would have got a total of 15 matches under normal rules, then.

As for your kind offer of a reference, even if I ever needed one, no thanks. I'd prefer someone with a grasp of English to write any reference for me.

Even clearer is that the Wigan reduction factor must be even greater for three players to throw punches, including the fights first punches then get no matches.

Do you still carry a notebook to the pub with you?

I've NEVER carried a notebook to the pub. Except for a meeting when I was Chairman of the Brass Band I played for.

A "New" member harking back to Bullrage... It's like a game of "Guess Who?"

Conrad?

no, im no saints fan even though you have assumed it throughout this thread