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| Quote ="Starbug"Just out of interest, what do you think should happen to the next club that hits a financial wall?'"
Well, its a tough one isn't it. If a club does hit a financial wall and goes into administration, then they should be given a period of time to find new owners who are fit for purpose. If they can't then I think the only solution is to move them out of Superleague and into another division where the running costs are more affordable.
Overall, we need to urgently look at the way in which our sport is financed and governed. Clearly the whole licensing system needs to be strengthened in terms of the financial requirements for being a superleague club. I still dont understand why your problems wern't spotted when the licenses were reviewed last time. Any thoughts or are you all still in the dark about that?
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| Quote ="saint87"Well, its a tough one isn't it. If a club does hit a financial wall and goes into administration, then they should be given a period of time to find new owners who are fit for purpose. If they can't then I think the only solution is to move them out of Superleague and into another division where the running costs are more affordable.
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You just described Bradfords plight. Are you saying one rule for Bradford and a different rule for "lesser" clubs?
I want Bradford to survive and be in SL, but don't believe that they should be made a special case
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| Quote ="saint87"Well, its a tough one isn't it. If a club does hit a financial wall and goes into administration, then they should be given a period of time to find new owners who are fit for purpose. If they can't then I think the only solution is to move them out of Superleague and into another division where the running costs are more affordable.
Overall, we need to urgently look at the way in which our sport is financed and governed. Clearly the whole licensing system needs to be strengthened in terms of the financial requirements for being a superleague club. I still dont understand why your problems wern't spotted when the licenses were reviewed last time. Any thoughts or are you all still in the dark about that?'"
Probably for the same reason that the massive annual losses of the likes of Hudds, London, and - yes - Saints - did not seem to count against those clubs, even though (except for Hudds, where I believe Davy has made proivision) if something should happen to the rich owners they would almost certainly be up shìt creek almost immediately.
The elephant that was in the room then is still there, and if anything has grown even bigger. And it is standing on the same foundations of sand it ever was.
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| Quote ="saint87"Well, its a tough one isn't it. If a club does hit a financial wall and goes into administration, then they should be given a period of time to find new owners who are fit for purpose. If they can't then I think the only solution is to move them out of Superleague and into another division where the running costs are more affordable.
Overall, we need to urgently look at the way in which our sport is financed and governed. Clearly the whole licensing system needs to be strengthened in terms of the financial requirements for being a superleague club. I still dont understand why your problems wern't spotted when the licenses were reviewed last time. Any thoughts or are you all still in the dark about that?'"
I'm an ex Leigh fan, not a Bulls fan, and I like you dont understand how less than 12 months earlier, this wasnt picked up by the licencing process, my other question is, are the RFL just now accepting the best available bid? , even if it isnt up to the original standard set, as that seems the case to me
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| Quote ="saint87"The big £2.4 million loss in 2011 was due to playing at Widnes all year. The club was helped by the fact that it was expected and so it was budgeted for. But there is no doubt that running a club at Knowsley Road was tough because of the poor facilities. We just couldn't get the revenue streams that we have now.
McManus is someone who should be listened to. We were on the verge of administration when he came in. We now have shareholder funds of over £20 million as a result of taking ownership of Langtree Park. He has also put together a strong board of directors including Mike Coleman (some hedge fund manager in Singapore) who put about £6 million into the club to finance the final instalment and fit out cost of the stadium. The financial performance in 2013 should be a lot better.
As a saints fan, I hope you do come through it and I look forward to visiting Odsal next season.'"
Gareth (G1) is a Leeds fan, not a Bulls fan.
He is usually quite sensible, although he can't help trying to be clever on occasions. In fairness, he does spend a fair bit of his time in public service, winding up the great unwashed fekkwitery on Substandard which he can do in his sleep, so I guess we can make allowances?
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| Quote ="Starbug"I'm an ex Leigh fan, not a Bulls fan, and I like you dont understand how less than 12 months earlier, this wasnt picked up by the licencing process, my other question is, are the RFL just now accepting the best available bid? , even if it isnt up to the original standard set, as that seems the case to me'"
No. IMO the RFL have known exactly what they were doing all along, and have contrived to totally sideline the administrator. Its actually pretty unprecedented that an administrator has been rendered so powerless?
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| Quote ="Gerrum on side ref"You just described Bradfords plight. Are you saying one rule for Bradford and a different rule for "lesser" clubs?
I want Bradford to survive and be in SL, but don't believe that they should be made a special case'"
Absolutely not. I was just stating my opinion. What I said in my post goes for any club, not just Bradford. I don't want to see any current Superleague club leave the competition. They should all go through the same process. Perhaps you should put your glasses on and read my post again!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"No. IMO the RFL have known exactly what they were doing all along, and have contrived to totally sideline the administrator. Its actually pretty unprecedented that an administrator has been rendered so powerless?'"
I will try and find out at my club end of season dinner
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Probably for the same reason that the massive annual losses of the likes of Hudds, London, and - yes - Saints - did not seem to count against those clubs, even though (except for Hudds, where I believe Davy has made proivision) if something should happen to the rich owners they would almost certainly be up shìt creek almost immediately.
The elephant that was in the room then is still there, and if anything has grown even bigger. And it is standing on the same foundations of sand it ever was.'"
I know all of the clubs you have mentioned did have massive losses, but the problems at Bradford where clearly a hell of a lot worse. I was just wondering why they wern't flagged up.
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| Quote ="saint87"I know all of the clubs you have mentioned did have massive losses, but the problems at Bradford where clearly a hell of a lot worse. I was just wondering why they wern't flagged up.'"
No they were not.
It looks like our operating loss in 2011 was c.£1m (which if Hood had been honest about earlier it might have saved us all a hell of a lot of heartache). That followed a loss of £0.3m in 2010, and break even and profits in previous years. At the time of the Licensing decisions, we were noit that far into 2011.
Now go compare that with the financial performance of some of our contemporaries.
Their losses were far worse.
The only difference is that we had to stand on our own feet, whereas those other clubs had a wealthy owner prepared to pay the bills. Why did the RFL not baulk at granting THEM Licences, given that in some cases the sudden demise of the owner would have led to the sudden demise of the club? Same reason: they can see the elephant in the room even if some others cannot. They know just how precarious the game is placed financially, and what would happen if one of the dominoes was to fall...
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| Quote ="saint87"The big £2.4 million loss in 2011 was due to playing at Widnes all year. The club was helped by the fact that it was expected and so it was budgeted for. But there is no doubt that running a club at Knowsley Road was tough because of the poor facilities. We just couldn't get the revenue streams that we have now.
McManus is someone who should be listened to. We were on the verge of administration when he came in. We now have shareholder funds of over £20 million as a result of taking ownership of Langtree Park. He has also put together a strong board of directors including Mike Coleman (some hedge fund manager in Singapore) who put about £6 million into the club to finance the final instalment and fit out cost of the stadium. The financial performance in 2013 should be a lot better.
As a saints fan, I hope you do come through it and I look forward to visiting Odsal next season.'" McManus [iis[/i someone who should be listened to. But not to directly take tips on how to run a self-sustaining RL club, Langtree Park notwithstanding. The increase in shareholders' funds at St Helens has arisen due to newly subscribed capital rather than through profits. His greatest success has been the Bulls' greatest failure - the ability to find another person or persons willing to stump up the millions of pounds required to prop up almost every Super League club.
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| Quote ="MjM"McManus [iis[/i someone who should be listened to. But not to directly take tips on how to run a self-sustaining RL club, Langtree Park notwithstanding. The increase in shareholders' funds at St Helens has arisen due to newly subscribed capital rather than through profits. His greatest success has been the Bulls' greatest failure - the ability to find another person or persons willing to stump up the millions of pounds required to prop up almost every Super League club.'"
Exactly my point, and the point that Gareth has missed. He's managed what the likes of Davy and Hughes, and Pearson and Wilkinson have not. Caddick managed it as well, in a different way.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"No they were not.
It looks like our operating loss in 2011 was c.£1m (which if Hood had been honest about earlier it might have saved us all a hell of a lot of heartache). That followed a loss of £0.3m in 2010, and break even and profits in previous years. At the time of the Licensing decisions, we were noit that far into 2011.
Now go compare that with the financial performance of some of our contemporaries.
Their losses were far worse.
The only difference is that we had to stand on our own feet, whereas those other clubs had a wealthy owner prepared to pay the bills. Why did the RFL not baulk at granting THEM Licences, given that in some cases the sudden demise of the owner would have led to the sudden demise of the club? Same reason: they can see the elephant in the room even if some others cannot. They know just how precarious the game is placed financially, and what would happen if one of the dominoes was to fall...'"
I think that you have misunderstood the point that I was trying to get across.
Its not just about the loss and the size of the loss, its also about the ability to cover those losses and stay afloat. Other clubs, like Saints, who had a loss of £2.4 million in 2011, were able to cover them and continue running as normal. Unfortunately, your club wasn't. That is what I meant when I said that Bradford's problems were worse. There was clearly a bigger problem at Bradford; hence why they are now in administration and other clubs are not.
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| Quote ="saint87"I think that you have misunderstood the point that I was trying to get across.
Its not just about the loss and the size of the loss, its also about the ability to cover those losses and stay afloat. Other clubs, like Saints, who had a loss of £2.4 million in 2011, were able to cover them and continue running as normal. Unfortunately, your club wasn't. That is what I meant when I said that Bradford's problems were worse. There was clearly a bigger problem at Bradford; hence why they are now in administration and other clubs are not.'"
Or in simple terms, to be a succsesful SL club, you need a sugar daddy, it was the lack of a single large financial backer that made the Fax application ' speculative '
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| What has now become even clearer is that the sustainability of many clubs is not through trading/revenue streams, but assisted capital finance in various guises
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| Quote ="MjM"McManus [iis[/i someone who should be listened to. But not to directly take tips on how to run a self-sustaining RL club, Langtree Park notwithstanding. The increase in shareholders' funds at St Helens has arisen due to newly subscribed capital rather than through profits. His greatest success has been the Bulls' greatest failure - the ability to find another person or persons willing to stump up the millions of pounds required to prop up almost every Super League club.'"
I don't know how you can just dismiss the stadium so quickly. The whole point about the new stadium was to provide the club with a strong financial and operating platform to take the club forward, strengthen the commercial side of the business and therefore make the club a self-sustaining RL club. It is an important element.
The club has no bank debt whatsoever and McManus said recently: "we are already seeing a very substantial improvement in financial performance, and this will strengthen even more materially in 2013. We are also likely to see a further strengthening of our balance sheet in 2012 and beyond as the stadium's fit out costs are capitalised".
It's not about stumping up millions of pounds to 'prop up' a club, it's called investment. The results speak for themselves.
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| Quote ="saint87"It's not about stumping up millions of pounds to 'prop up' a club, it's called investment. The results speak for themselves.'" Yeah, yeah - look, if the cash from directors had been left in the top half of the Balance Sheet as loans rather than the bottom half of the Balance Sheet as share capital the company would be the most technically insolvent in the league.
Langtree Park is a great stadium and hopefully will turn the business around into profitable or break even in its own right but it would never have been built in a normal business environment as there were no retained profits to pay for it (quite the opposite) and there is no way it will pay itself back in a way that would ever be commercially acceptable.
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| Quote ="saint87"I think that you have misunderstood the point that I was trying to get across.
Its not just about the loss and the size of the loss, its also about the ability to cover those losses and stay afloat. Other clubs, like Saints, who had a loss of £2.4 million in 2011, were able to cover them and continue running as normal. Unfortunately, your club wasn't. That is what I meant when I said that Bradford's problems were worse. There was clearly a bigger problem at Bradford; hence why they are now in administration and other clubs are not.'"
I think both business models are are full of potential problems to be honest, if that was your point. Both models have their own flaws and holes to fall into, but it was the bulls' model which fell into through trapdoor when one of the problem areas arose.
This though was our bad luck. It [icould[/i have been that one of the business empires, owned by a wealthy backer went pear shaped and the backer was consequently unable to service his club's debts - this is the real point, not the working losses, we and others, are making.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Gareth (G1) is a Leeds fan, not a Bulls fan.
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Quote he can't help trying to be clever on occasions.'" I'm taking that as a compliment.
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| Quote ="MjM"Yeah, yeah - look, if the cash from directors had been left in the top half of the Balance Sheet as loans rather than the bottom half of the Balance Sheet as share capital the company would be the most technically insolvent in the league.
Langtree Park is a great stadium and hopefully will turn the business around into profitable or break even in its own right but it would never have been built in a normal business environment as there were no retained profits to pay for it (quite the opposite) and there is no way it will pay itself back in a way that would ever be commercially acceptable.'"
I think you used the right word there, "if".
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| Quote ="MjM"Yeah, yeah - look, if the cash from directors had been left in the top half of the Balance Sheet as loans rather than the bottom half of the Balance Sheet as share capital the company would be the most technically insolvent in the league. '"
I believe £3 million is still in the top half of the balance sheet: that was a loan from the director in Singapore which is to be paid back. McManus made that clear in a statement around year end when the accounts were released.
Quote Langtree Park is a great stadium and hopefully will turn the business around into profitable or break even in its own right but it would never have been built in a normal business environment as there were no retained profits to pay for it (quite the opposite) and there is no way it will pay itself back in a way that would ever be commercially acceptable.'"
Isn't this the case for most sports clubs though? Take away rich backers from big soccer clubs and what is left is unsustainable surely? Man Utd have massive debt do they not? But they can service it; just as Saints can service theirs. It is when the debt becomes overwhelming that a club slips into administration surely and it appeared to be the point at which the bank withdrew the overdraft facility for the Bulls (after they had perhaps foolishly released their claim on the Odsal lease) that everything went pearshaped for them because they could no longer service what debt they had or indeed meet their running costs.
While I have no difficulty with McManus offering support to the Bulls I have objected to his negative comments concerning expansion. David Hughes, for example, has made massive sacrifices to keep the Broncos alive and McManus as someone who has done similarly (but with something to show for it, unlike Hughes) should have kept quiet about expansion clubs.
Incidentally, I think it is interesting that Saints did not advertise their intention to reimburse the away ticket money to the Bulls prior to the match. It may be worth a little thought. McManus is a wily operator. He didn't get into the top 50 bankers in the world by not being a wily operator.
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| Quote ="af"Hughes is an odd case - tonnes spent but not many would argue it is has been well-directed. With any sort of joined-up thinking on the marketing side we could have a thriving club down there.
I would be interested to know whether the SL clubs work together on one-size-fits-all ways in which to make their businesses more likely to break even. While some are geographical competitors, surely the bigger threat is football and/or apathy?'"
Soccer is a big competitor, but I'm not sure what you can do about it - or even if it's possible to do anything about it; it's the global sport around which all others revolve. We can't escape the coverage from TV and the press nor can we compete with the money that is thrown at the sport, so at best, we're in a position of trying to fit in alongside it. We tried moving to Sunday and then Summer but soccer is seven days a week and virtually 12 months a year, so there's no escape. We've tweaked the game to make it simpler and quicker and more exciting, all of which should make it more accessible to soccer followers, but we still struggle.
You missed out RU in the competitors list, btw. I know that with RU, unlike soccer, we're not aiming at the same demographic for supporters, but the higher financial level they achieve the easier it is for them to attract our players. If our stars go to them, we may as well shut up shop in terms of being a large national spectator sport
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Soccer is a big competitor, but I'm not sure what you can do about it - or even if it's possible to do anything about it; it's the global sport around which all others revolve. We can't escape the coverage from TV and the press nor can we compete with the money that is thrown at the sport, so at best, we're in a position of trying to fit in alongside it. We tried moving to Sunday and then Summer but soccer is seven days a week and virtually 12 months a year, so there's no escape. We've tweaked the game to make it simpler and quicker and more exciting, all of which should make it more accessible to soccer followers, but we still struggle.
You missed out RU in the competitors list, btw. I know that with RU, unlike soccer, we're not aiming at the same demographic for supporters, but the higher financial level they achieve the easier it is for them to attract our players. If our stars go to them, we may as well shut up shop in terms of being a large national spectator sport'"
There is no logical reason that RL cannot increase attendances at all clubs , however no 2 clubs will have exactly the same way of doing it, its just a case of finding what you particular club needs to do, and doing it, however we are not talking ' quick fix ' , and that is the problem, the RFL and the clubs are inherently lazy , it comes from success and money, ie the people running our clubs and the sport are by definition ' financially successful ' and therefor have lost the understanding of what got them that success in the 1 st place
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| Quote ="Starbug"There is no logical reason that RL cannot increase attendances at all clubs ,'"
Well, no. Neither is there any logical reason why attendances won't decrease. Or why the won't go up at some clubs, and down at other clubs.
Quote ="Starbug" however no 2 clubs will have exactly the same way of doing it, its just a case of finding what you particular club needs to do, and doing it, '"
Well, there you go. Problem solved, you want to patent that.
Quote ="Starbug" the RFL and the clubs are inherently lazy ,'"
Ah. Well, that must be the problem.
Quote ="Starbug"the people running our clubs and the sport are by definition ' financially successful ' and therefor have lost the understanding of what got them that success in the 1 st place'"
That seems so obvious when you point it out. Someone who is good at business completely loses the understanding of how to do it once they start running a RL club. Again, obvious, really. So, what we need is a bunch of business failures, to get the mirror effect, am I right?
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