I remember the days when vastman was the onnly Wakey troll on this board, at least he was pretty good at it.
I heard from a family friend who works for the RFL, the HMRC & the media, all at the same time, that the 6 point deduction was to make Angela Powers pre-season prediction look more accurate.

That one I can believe!

I believe that Bulls should have been docked four points the same as wakefield and crusaders. Giving the same punishment for going into administration would be fair. Giving you lot a 6 point deduction i think is unfair.

Lets just hope that abc can agree a deal to take the bulls out of administration and move forward as the majority of the rugby league community want!!

Only btterness wakey fans have is that players havent been sold but that is down to the discretion of the administrator and no-one else.

I cant understand why Wakey aren't getting much bigger crowds.

Aye, because points deductions are made on the basis of something that may or may not happen in the future. Of course, brilliant, why didn't I think of it. Key decisions based on pure speculation and hypothesis. It's the future.

You been advising Gideon Osborne?

Do you mean the work experience lad?

The whole point is that no-one knows how much (if anything) is going to be repaid, as the current offer isn't agreed yet. No-one knows if this is actually going to be the deal which does get accepted. If it turns out to be another offer, which [idoes[/i pay back money, will we get the points back? It will all be done and dusted in a couple of weeks - one way or the other - they could have waited, rather than acting prematurely without the full picture.

I've been thinking about this over the last few days. What is the logic behind deducting points from a team that has gone into administration? Who does it punish? It is not the players or the fans fault yet they are the ones who get penalised. Why was it introduced and is there a "fairer" alternative punishment?

A quick scount round the internet seems to show a lot of support for scrapping the points deduction in football, as it seems to lead to a spiral of less income/relegation thus penalising the fans further. Alternatives suggested seem to be banning chairman for life/fining the ones responsible, and more thorough checks on owners.

Its easy to put financial problems down to bad owners or chairmen but often its the fans that pressure the clubs into living beyond their means. Imagine if at the start of the season Hood had announced that Bateman & Whitehead had been sold to alleviate financial pressures. He'd have been slaughtered.

Point taken. It's still not the fans fault that clubs go into administration though.

There are rules for company directors which can result in being banned from acting as a director in certain circumstances (bankruptcy for instance), maybe the same sort of punishment could be brought in for sports club directors who take their club into admin?

As for the fans clamouring for whatever, there is a saying for coaches which goes along the lines of, "if you start listening to fans, you'll soon be sitting with them". Maybe the same should apply to chairmen/directors? Just like the coaches, they sometimes have to make unpalatable decisions, but that surely comes with the territory. A saying about heat and kitchens comes to mind.

nope, it's not the fans fault, it is down to the club living beyond their means. We did it in the early nineties and were forced to sell Central Park because of it and become squatters at Dave Whelan's stadium. The problem is the club try to achieve success on the field that the fans demand this comes at a cost. Would you get 10,000 plus crowds if you never make the semis of the challenge cup or ever enter the playoffs by being in the top 8.

The problem is that unless you get 15,000 crowds on a regular basis and make finals etc etc you dont get the revenue needed to spend up to the full salary cap without a wealthy benefactor as there is not enough money from the RFL to support the clubs expectations.

Lack of financial constraints by the RFL ie. allowing clubs to spending more than they earn is the problem. It should be a live accounting system based on known fixed revenue for the coming season, ie. season ticket sales, RFL/Sky money and any signed sponsor contracts only plus cash in the bank less loans overdrafts etc etc.... Any surplus made in a season is cash in the bank for the next year.........probably impossible to police so clubs will continue to spend more than they have.......