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| Dont think any clubs looking at acquiring any of our players would particularly need to worry about salary cap. They would pay a fee for player and then immediately loan them back to us for remainder of season. The player wouldnt count on their new clubs salary cap until next season giving them time to move a player or two on and create the necessary cap space.
The potential fly in ointment in this scenario, which could help us retain players, would be amenable RFL were to registering said players. theoretically they could refuse to register said player at new club unless they had cap space to accomodate them. If they had to be registered at new club before they can be loaned then that could stop things dead. Other alternative is a club signs a player for next year onwards but pays a transfer fee now with players registration not transferring until end of current contract year.
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| Quote ="Cripesginger"Because you don't understand cap finances?
Bateman may be on buttons so a little cap space + ability to move on a junior player could well make it easy for many clubs to sign JB. With the contract offering bigger bucks in 2013 onwards.
The Giants have never paid large transfer fees - certainly not the amount Bateman would justify -Davy does not do it.
This article looks like an agent (or possible the Bulls) trying to push up transfer fees / contract payments.'"
Not the only one, by the looks of it.
Any staged increases in salary are averaged out for cap purposes. The only way the clubs would be able to offer bigger bucks in 2013 would be through a new contract - a situation that provides a very significant risk for all sides.
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| Lets all hope this is just a silly rumour and that bateman wont be going anywhere...cos lets be honest, if we can nuture this lad, he stays fit and he continues to play in the form he's currently playing in, my guess is that in a few years we'll get a million pounds (maybe more) for him!!!
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| Quote ="bfdbull1979"Lets all hope this is just a silly rumour and that bateman wont be going anywhere...cos lets be honest, if we can nuture this lad, he stays fit and he continues to play in the form he's currently playing in, my guess is that in a few years we'll get a million pounds (maybe more) for him!!!'"
hes got the potential to be good but £1m, id bet you we wouldnt get that for Sam Tomkins. If Wire offer you £100k he'll be gone.
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| Quote ="mat"...If they had to be registered at new club before they can be loaned then that could stop things dead. ...'"
You have give full details for checking and then get prior approval in writing from RFL before you can sign anyone. This is so they can check whether the financials you propose fit in with your salary cap.
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| Quote ="Bill_Barlow". If Wire offer you £100k he'll be gone.'"
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| Quote ="Bill_Barlow"hes got the potential to be good but £1m, id bet you we wouldnt get that for Sam Tomkins. If Wire offer you £100k he'll be gone.'"
Maybe.
I remember when Wire put a 1m fee on Harris.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You have give full details for checking and then get prior approval in writing from RFL before you can sign anyone. This is so they can check whether the financials you propose fit in with your salary cap.'"
Yes I know that. Point I was making was, Would the RFL allow a club to sign a player who would take them over the salary cap if the club said they were going to immediately loan said player out to get them back under the cap for the remainder of the season?.
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| If the administrators come in and sell players won't the rfl do what they did with the crusaders players? No one from bulls will count on the salary cap? Or the foreign quote?
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| Is it my impatience but I simply cant understand why there seems such a long wait for the EGM. Hood's resigned to his fate and the longer any transition takes the more vulnerable we are to predators tapping up our assets. The good of the club has to come before the good of any individuals. Sort it out!
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| Quote ="Bill_Barlow"hes got the potential to be good but £1m, id bet you we wouldnt get that for Sam Tomkins. If Wire offer you £100k he'll be gone.'"
£100k.....have you taken your medication today???
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| Quote ="montoya6"Is it my impatience but I simply cant understand why there seems such a long wait for the EGM. Hood's resigned to his fate and the longer any transition takes the more vulnerable we are to predators tapping up our assets. The good of the club has to come before the good of any individuals. Sort it out!'"
Think its a legal requirement. They have to give all shareholders a certain amount of notice. Thats straightforward for the bigger shareholders but they also have to notify the 1000+ people who only hold a handful of shares dating back to reformation in the sixties. Think 28 days notice has been mentioned before. Im not sure but would assume that dates from when Caisley managed to get backing from more than 50% of shareholding i.e. not when he originally called for EGM in T&A article.
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| Sad though things may be at Bradford, I remember the Wire having to sell both Sculthorpe and Harris to help save the club from going under and very little sympathy coming from our neighbours or from across the Pennines. I find the irony in this situation almost amusing, but knowing how I felt then I can honestly sympathise with the Bradford fans.
One alternative is to go into administration and form a new club called Bradford Northern! an iconic name and unique in sporting clubs, got to be worth a thought.
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| Quote ="mat"Other alternative is a club signs a player for next year onwards but pays a transfer fee now with players registration not transferring until end of current contract year.'"
That would never work. As the buying club would you run the risk of your new purchase picking up a career/long term injury after you've paid your transfer fee.
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| It sounds to me as if Bateman moving on is a given, this just looks like one of those headlines to start off the auction.
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| Quote ="redeverready"That would never work. As the buying club would you run the risk of your new purchase picking up a career/long term injury after you've paid your transfer fee.'"
Clubs with big money backers can afford to take that sort of risk. leeds loaned hardaker back to fev, hudds did likewise with mcnally. Hardly be firstly time its happened. Probably more of a risk with players at back end of their careers as their more likely to get a injury that could force them to retire. If a young lad gets a imjury that keeps them out for a year then they've still potentially got 10+ years ahead of them. If same happened to a player 30+ then theres chance they wont ever recover to same levels of performance. Obviously theres always possibility of a really freak career ending injury at any age but there thankfully relatively uncommon.
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| Unless the RFL decide to put one of their "player welfare" salary cap dispensations out there...
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| Worst case...
Bateman goes for 150k - 250k (not bad), who we left with to build a team around?
Addy, Whitehead, Burgess, Donaldson, Olbison, O'Brien, Lulia, Gale, Crookes, Kear, Kopczak. Thats just to name a few.
I'm still hoping that this is just a load of old e, but if not, we've still got a strong squad who under Mick Potter's guidance, and playing alongside more experienced pro's like Diskin, L'Estrange, Langley etc, Could turn into something special
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| Quote ="mat"Think its a legal requirement. They have to give all shareholders a certain amount of notice. Thats straightforward for the bigger shareholders but they also have to notify the 1000+ people who only hold a handful of shares dating back to reformation in the sixties. Think 28 days notice has been mentioned before. Im not sure but would assume that dates from when Caisley managed to get backing from more than 50% of shareholding i.e. not when he originally called for EGM in T&A article.'"
There's also the reasons that the board was streamlined the other year ie many of those on the board spent a large part of the year outside the UK and this had caused the club to miss out on signing players.
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| As the CEOs apparently likely to stay on after Hood's gone I wonder if he's been speaking to Caisley and Co? Can't see them wanting Bateman sold while all this is goin on.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"As the CEOs apparently likely to stay on after Hood's gone I wonder if he's been speaking to Caisley and Co? Can't see them wanting Bateman sold while all this is goin on.'"
I read the same code as you.
Ryan has always maintained regular professional dialogue with Caisley-as-shareholder, openly and with PH's knowledge and agreeement, and I would hope and presume that has not changed?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"As the CEOs apparently likely to stay on after Hood's gone I wonder if he's been speaking to Caisley and Co? Can't see them wanting Bateman sold while all this is goin on.'"
He'd be daft if he hadn't, and I don't have him down as being daft.
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| RYan's far from daft. He's articulate, open, honest , and the only board member who currently has any positive reputation in terms of his communication with the public. Dont forget for the first ten years of Ryan's rise through the club, Caisley was at the helm. IMO having him and Gary Tasker working day to day at the club could be the best chance we have of making a go of the club again, regardless of who is the chairperson!
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| As good as Bateman promises to be, is he as good as Sam Burgess was at 18?
From the little I've seen of him, he doesn't look as physically impressive or powerful.
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