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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"I'm not. If the player realised at that point that they have a choice. 1) Lose the match from a certain try. 2) Commit a foul that will give away a penalty in an area of the field they can't kick from and at the most receive a yellow card.
I'd be surprised if less than 95% of players would choose option 2.
The only thing is, quite a few players probably wouldn't realise until too late that these are the 2 options. That'd be the only reason they wouldn't do it IMO.'"
Well, we'll just have to disagree on that, but the simple fact that such cheating is so rare tends I think to support my opinion. How often do we get a "McGuire" incident? Hardly ever, which is why there's such a fuss.
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| Ah fair enough, misread the initial part of your post.
In this instance though, he did have the third option available to him, and still chose to take him out!
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| We get plenty of professional fouls though. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen holding down to prevent an almost certain try being scored.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Well, we'll just have to disagree on that, but the simple fact that such cheating is so rare tends I think to support my opinion. How often do we get a "McGuire" incident? Hardly ever, which is why there's such a fuss.'"
How often does the situation present itself though? Players breaking away in the last minute with 1 point in the game and you're right behind the chasing man.
Not that often. If it did happen often, I think we'd see a lot more of it, and then probably some rule brought in to punish what is undoubtedly a professional foul.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"We get plenty of professional fouls though. I've lost count of the number of times I've seen holding down to prevent an almost certain try being scored.'"
Yep and the player will usually get a yellow card (unless it's the Hull derby when the ref seems to bottle it). The difference between this one and a normal professional foul is the timing of the game and the scoreline at the time. A yellow card would have meant absolutely nothing.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Stop making it personal, it doesn't help. And you should also look up what "magnanimous" means, if you want to use big words.'"
You were being pompous, personal or otherwise. Simples.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"And I am sure the vast majority of players wouldn't do what McGuire did. That is why it is so rare to see someone doing what McGuire did.'"
On what do you base this?
On the contrary I would argue it is incredibly frequent and occurs in most games. Why? Observation. Watch back any SL game you have from any season and demonstrate a game where some incidence of deliberate foul play or obstruction doesn't take place? I could go back to a live game I watched at Old Trafford in 1990 where Mal Meninga (prior to receiving the final pass) impeded Carl Gibson in his track back attempt at the end of the game. Meninga scored, Aussies won, it's in the history books. The talk was of how good the Aussies were not foot stamping about an incident that really was a common occurrence.
I repeat if Sam Tomkins (or any England rep) did that to Greg Inglis in the last minute of the 4Nations, then good on him.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Comment all you want Dilli, I stand by it. McGuire ruined what could have been a great advertisement for our sport with a blatant deliberate bit of cheating. Justice imo.
McClennan must have been out of line too earlier this season?'"
Cruciate ligament, out for 6 months by the sounds of it. You must be made up. Go & knock one out.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Spot on. I'd stop digging now if I were you Ewwen, you're deep enough.'"
Whilst you're a poster i'm a bit disappointed i've lost the respect of (If I ever had it) the same cannot be said for Gurus Beard or a Rhinos or Cas fan.
I'll survive though.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"You were being pompous, personal or otherwise. '"
Not a bit. That was just you.
Quote ="Gurus_Beard"On what do you base this? '"
Some decades of watching thousands of games.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Not a bit. That was just you.
Some decades of watching thousands of games.'"
Your inability to mitigate your standpoint is duly noted.
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| A pi55er for McGuire, Leeds and England.
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| I only wanted to say 'Well done Leeds' and world war 3 has broken out
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| Quote ="Bullseye"A pi55er for McGuire, Leeds and England.'"
Of negligible impact on England given he was beyond Gash when playing for his country imo. Sean Long mark II.
Horrendous for the bloke nonetheless.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Your inability to mitigate your standpoint is duly noted.'"
Your continuing ability to use completely the wrong word trying to sound learned, meaning nothing like what you think, is duly noted.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Whilst you're a poster i'm a bit disappointed i've lost the respect of (If I ever had it) the same cannot be said for Gurus Beard or a Rhinos or Cas fan.
I'll survive though.'"
10 years ago, before you were born, Andy Hobson's knees put Robbie Paul in hospital with broken ribs & a punctured lung. A Fax fan came on the VT celebrating the fact. He was rightly crucified. The next day, when he had calmed down, he returned & apologised. The general consensus was that it took a man to admit he was wrong, which is why there is little chance of an apology from you.
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| Quote ="tigertot"10 years ago, before you were born, Andy Hobson's knees put Robbie Paul in hospital with broken ribs & a punctured lung. ..'"
I can still watch a video replay of that incident in my head even after all these years. Utterly cowardly and shameful play by Hobson, which could easily have killed Robbie. Also some guy on here chose the username "Hobson's Knees" IIRC. Nice.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Your continuing ability to use completely the wrong word trying to sound learned, meaning nothing like what you think, is duly noted.
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Keep digging. You do make a habit of being wrong don't you. Consistently. Along with your ironic lack of ability to be grammatically correct. Well done.
Incidentally, the written word doesn't have a "sound." HTH shag.
Again your serial inability to substantiate your OP is once again, noted.
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| Quote ="tigertot"10 years ago, before you were born, Andy Hobson's knees put Robbie Paul in hospital with broken ribs & a punctured lung. A Fax fan came on the VT celebrating the fact. He was rightly crucified. The next day, when he had calmed down, he returned & apologised. The general consensus was that it took a man to admit he was wrong, which is why there is little chance of an apology from you.'"
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Whilst you're a poster i'm a bit disappointed i've lost the respect of (If I ever had it) the same cannot be said for Gurus Beard or a Rhinos or Cas fan.
I'll survive though.'"
Fella, you have long lost any kind of validity or credibility on here. Your post-comment toy throwing response confirms that.
For you to cite someone being an opposition fan as grounds for your stupidity or reason to dismiss their view, is even more spurious. You sir have joined the growing list of RLFANS ts. Well done.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Fella, you have long lost any kind of validity or credibility on here. Your post-comment toy throwing response confirms that.
For you to cite someone being an opposition fan as grounds for your stupidity or reason to dismiss their view, is even more spurious. You sir have joined the growing list of RLFANS ts. Well done.'"
And you think you're not on it? Somebody who has today told somebody to get off their high horse, yet is on the highest one in all the land??
I won't dismiss their view on RL, but whether they like or respect me, I could not care less, it's a bloody internet forum ATEOTD and i'm not likely to meet any of them in real life.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"And you think you're not on it? Somebody who has today told somebody to get off their high horse, yet is on the highest one in all the land??'"
Reserved for s claiming McGuire deserved to be injured or farcical claims that cheating doesn't occur in each game. Doesn't take Perry Mason to work those out love.
Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I won't dismiss their view on RL, but whether they like or respect me, I could not care less, it's a bloody internet forum ATEOTD and i'm not likely to meet any of them in real life.'"
Kinda contradicts your previous post then doesn't it petal. Make your mind up Bucks Fizz.
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| Quote ="Gurus_Beard"Reserved for s claiming McGuire deserved to be injured or farcical claims that cheating doesn't occur in each game. Doesn't take Perry Mason to work those out love.
Kinda contradicts your previous post then doesn't it petal. Make your mind up Bucks Fizz.'"
My previous post was " "
And do you think it makes you seem a big man calling people petal and love?
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Lock it.
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You were right after all it seems?
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| This is a daft thread, full of daft people. Me included.
Clunk, click, locked.
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