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| Quote ="mystic eddie" The board have stuck by him through thin and thinner during his reign and now he might walk out and turn his back on them?
If true that would kinda sum him up. Just a shame he did not quit when no-one else wanted him.
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Sum him up?
Whatever your opinion of his coaching abilities and don't think you can question his commitment to the club.
I expect he will stay with the Bulls until the end of his current deal unless a settlement can be reached with the RFL that suits us better. Perhaps the Bulls would rather bring in a replacement immediately and combined with a compensation package from the RFL is the best deal.
I can't see Macca simply quitting the club though.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Sum him up?
Whatever your opinion of his coaching abilities and don't think you can question his commitment to the club.
I expect he will stay with the Bulls until the end of his current deal unless a settlement can be reached with the RFL that suits us better. Perhaps the Bulls would rather bring in a replacement immediately and combined with a compensation package from the RFL is the best deal.
I can't see Macca simply quitting the club though.'"
There are obviously more issues involved here than we are now aware of.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"I don't blame him. I just cannot believe he has options.
The sooner he goes the better and if he leaves us in the lurch I wonder what his apologists will have to say?'"
You have been demanding for so long now that he should resign immediately, regardless of contract or consequences - yet now that looks a distinct probability, you accuse him of leaving us in the lurch. You can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you might try. Can you? It looks like you are about to get what you have been wishing for for so long.
I have seen nothing reported from the club which suggested they looked keen on reappointing him. That, indeed, was the point Connor Murphy was making in the impassioned, and still VERY intriguing article with which I started this thread. If that truly be the case, and having been on the receiving end of the attacks of many people like yourself, if he has other options then would it be any surprise if he chose to pursue them?
I read today Mozza signing Macca's praises. Others far better placed than anyone on here have done the same. I doubt people need to worry about him having options.
If this IS now a done deal, let us all hope that the club is in a position to appoint the kind of successor that you and others of like mind expect. An appointment from outside would be the first since Brian Smith, of course. Do we hope for another Brian Smith?
I hope people have indeed been very careful in what they wished for.
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| Said it on the T & A, but what about David Waite?
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Said it on the T & A, but what about David Waite?'"
His lack of recent coaching would maybe suggest he wouldn't want a FT Head Coach position?
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| Possibly Bully.
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| Quote ="af"twitter.com/MurphyonBulls/status/12470728591
[i@bu07lls I think I nailed my colours firmly to the mast with my piece last week. I would be very disappointed if he leaves now.[/i'"
I still can't get it clear whether Murphy (and yes indeed he did) is imploring the Bulls to do their best to keep Macca, or for Macca to do the right thing and stay with the Bulls? Or both! Nor can I make much more sense out of what the parties are reported as saying in the media.
It DOES sort of look to me like, as was said above, there is plenty more to all this than we know about. And the thought has certainly occurred to me that some in high places might savour the prospect of prising the Bulls' coach away from his club at just the time all he has been working on might just be coming together. Whatever the truth of it all is, my suspicion is that the RFL is not popular up at Odsal right now, But, like pretty well everyone else, I am guessing. And I'm not about to put anyone at the club in a difficult position by asking them.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"You have been demanding for so long now that he should resign immediately, regardless of contract or consequences - yet now that looks a distinct probability, you accuse him of leaving us in the lurch. You can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you might try. Can you? '"
Maybe a slight misunderstanding here. As you rightly say I will possibly get exactly what I have wanted for so long pretty soon and I am happy about that.
In regards to "leaving us in the lurch" I was more referring to the board that have backed him over his tenure. If he just walks out on them it would be a right kick in the teeth to them I suggest.
As for me??? I will be too busy cracking open the Champagne to care.
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| Don't think you'll need too many glasses.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"As for me??? I will be too busy cracking open the Champagne to care.
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Now that's where you and I likely differ as types then. Cos in such a situation, I'd be thinking it would be prudent to keep that champagne on ice - at least until I saw who the successor was. Sometimes its amazing how quickly elation can turn to despair - in my five decades and some, I've seen too many examples of that. And that's why I've learned - sometimes the hard way - the need to be careful what you wish for.
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| Quote ="af"Don't think you'll need too many glasses.'"
Now now, no need to get stroppy just because your hero is about to do one.
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| How long does the next guy get Eddie. And what's the criteria for success?
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| He's going then.
In the short term, i'm really pi$$ed off that our board has shown us to be spineless again. Given in and let him do both roles, which is what Hood said was exactly what he didn't want. If he was definitely going I'd have kept him doing the Bradford job till november and make sure he was fully comitted to that.
In the long term I could be very happy (if we get Taylor, Elliot, Folkes etc) or very sad (Lowes, McDermott, Cullen, Millward or McRae).
What I would like to know though, and I hope to god we have a fans forum before november, is what SM meant by "Bradford is my be all and end all"? Even if your future wasn't certain, surely if something is your be all and end all you would risk waiting for the opportunity to stay comitted to something that is your be all and end all.
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| Quote ="Jimmybull"Brian Smith to come in next season with Menzies as assistant.
Smith also working as mentor to McNamara with the England set up.'"
I'd be absolutely thrilled with that partnership, but cannot see it happening in reality. I still feel Beaver has plenty to offer on the pitch right now as well.
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| Quote ="Jimmybull"Brian Smith to come in next season with Menzies as assistant.
Smith also working as mentor to McNamara with the England set up.'"
I don't think I know anyone who wouldn't be delighted with that.
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| Quote ="Jimmybull"Brian Smith to come in next season with Menzies as assistant.
Smith also working as mentor to McNamara with the England set up.'"
Fantastic prospect. But, I fear, in your dreams. Where would the cash to pay for him, and the entourage he would require, come from? Connor Murphy knows the financial realities. You can see it in his article with which I started this thread.
The bit about the "board being split" is a big worry. I wonder if some on the board are backing a Caisley return? And the coaching implications that might entail? If he got enough of them onside, he'd be back in.
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| Somebody mentioned Morgan as a possible replacement on that total rl forum.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Somebody mentioned Morgan as a possible replacement on that total rl forum.'"
From what I hear...please no.
And anyway, he - like so many others on the wish list, is under contract for some time. Where would we get the money to buy out the contract, as well as pay the asking price plus the costs of teh supporting entourage, for coaches on that list?
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I don't know, I don't know how much it would cost and how much we have. All I know is that you tell me we don't have a lot. How accurate you are, Adey. I haven't got a clue.
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| So it's just me wishing our board or chairman (whichever) would grow a backbone?
It is NOT in the clubs best interests to have our coach's mind elsewhere. As Hood stated, then apparently went back on, it would not be a good move for McNamara to be doing both. Be fully comitted to one or the other.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"So it's just me wishing our board or chairman (whichever) would grow a backbone?
It is NOT in the clubs best interests to have our coach's mind elsewhere. As Hood stated, then apparently went back on, it would not be a good move for McNamara to be doing both. Be fully comitted to one or the other.'"
I'd be concerned if he wasn't available for some of our matches, I understand the mid season friendly may clash with the Bulls fixture? I guess it depends on what amount of his time is required in the short term for the England role. I am sure Macca will want to deliver some success before he leaves so I don't expect there will be a lack of effort on his part.
Didn't T Smith steer Wire to CC success whilst combining both roles?
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"So it's just me wishing our board or chairman (whichever) would grow a backbone?
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How do we know they haven't already and have negotiated with the RFL to cross our palm with silver or (cough) a guarantee of a licence come the application or some other favour for letting him go part time until October?
Personally I'm going to sit back and see what happens first before judging anyone's performance, decision making or whether it is indeed a good or bad thing for the club. You never know part timer might get us to another final in his last year and then watch the crowds come flooding back.
All I know is right now I feel a little sad he won't be here to see his work on the junior side truly come to fruition and to see a nice bloke leave the club for what I personally see as a step down. I hope for his sake he doesn't wake up in December when he's got back to Britain regretting not having a preseason to get his teeth into.
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