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| We were clueless tonight.
I stuck by the man but not anymore.
SM OUT!!!
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| If there's no improvement in performance next week and if it's a bad lose Macca should resign, if he has any self-respect or any respect for the club left.
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| Well we were disturbingly disorganised tonight. Jeffries and Deacon may as well have not bother. Our kicking game was staggeringly bad and Sykes needs to sort his defence out. Some of the body language from the players was not good, it appeared they had given up with 20 mins left. Did we put Wigan under any sort of sustained pressure all match?
McNamara HAS to make some changes for next week, Newton looks to be playing with an injury. If he isn't fit then we should give one of the young guys a shot until he is.
Very very poor tonight.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Morrison, Menzies and Burgess all wore it with pride, you could tell they were actually trying and had the heart unlike most others.'"
Yes i`ll take that back menzies, morrison and burgess did have a good game but they can`t play alone. i was commented on platty because his defence has improved, especially that tackle on hock tonight.
One thing that did annoy me tonight was our constantly running up the middle playing one man rugby, why not use our wingers more because that where the tries were scored tonight.
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| I havent seen us that poor in a long time.
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| Quote ="clared"Yes i`ll take that back menzies, morrison and burgess did have a good game but they can`t play alone. i was commented on platty because his defence has improved, especially that tackle on hock tonight.
One thing that did annoy me tonight was our constantly running up the middle playing one man rugby, why not use our wingers more because that where the tries were scored tonight.'"
I don't think anybody had a good game really, but you could tell that they were putting alot more effort in than anybody else. Yeah, Platt's defence has seemed to improve alot and he looks a bit more confident under the high ball now. Still running sideways though.
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| Even with the mediocrity in the back line the players we have in the team should be turning in better performances than that.
My prediction? He'll be gone by Easter.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"Even with the mediocrity in the back line the players we have in the team should be turning in better performances than that.
My prediction? He'll be gone by Easter.'"
I hope he's gone by monday.
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| Well by looking at the future games its not looking good up to Easter
Hull, Cats, Cas and Rhino`s only game looking likely is a win at Cas and that looks unlikely after our performance tonight.
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| Quote ="clared"Well by looking at the future games its not looking good up to Easter
Hull, Cats, Cas and Rhino`s only game looking likely is a win at Cas and that looks unlikely after our performance tonight.'"
Cas are scoring for fun. They will rip us apart.
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| Quote ="Adeybull, in his first post back from exile"Before the backsliding began, one or two of the Negative Tendency undertook to restrain themselves till after ten matches. Maybe that remains not a bad idea generally? By then, it should be much more clear whether Macca's optimism is justified - not that I'd expect the NT to have much appetite for humble pie even if it was - or whether it is just so many words.
If it should prove the latter - and I bloody well hope it does not, but the worry is there - then the club will have its work cut out to explain why the problems are not all down to the coach and to stop the NT bandwagon. We'd sure need some plain talking then? '"
After that embarrassment tonight, I fear that the situation I hoped would never arise has come to pass, and now cannot wait for ten games.
I have been hammering on about folk who seemingly revel in negativity for the sake of it, and up till tonight it was looking like the Dark Side was losing a little of its grip on some of our more sceptical contributors.
But there was a great deal to be very negative about tonight, and precious little in the way of positives, I suggest? Morro, Menzies, Platt and maybe Burgess coming closest. But overall that was very very depressing.
The Dark Side is very strong right now, and the Negative Tendency is becoming the Negative Tsunami. If we get one more identikit media release in the T&A now, even I am going to be at the end of my tether.
We look the laughing stock of the game right now, the more so if Wire should win tomorrow.
Its clear Newton was carrying that injury from last week - probably unfair to slate him if thats the case. Maybe others are? Hope that Wagga's injury is not as bad as feared - best wishes to him.
OK, say so we sack the coach; we have to pay him his package up to the end of the year anyway. Where does that leave the money to pay his - likely much more expensive - replacement?
I suggest we need some plain talking from the club - now. Tell us how it is.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire". . . . . My prediction? He'll be gone by Easter.'"
Will he do the coming back bit three days later????
Badumsh!
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| Everyone around me tonight said they hope macca resigns, some fans dont help by saying players are crap.
One bloke shouted out to platt, oi platt go back to salford ur crap, platt turned back round and his head dropped. But he did have a good game, better than a fair few others, once again sherriffe did diddly squat, even halley has something about him in pace, sherriffe doesnt even have that.
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| Morrison, Burgess, Menzies, Platt all worked hard, and the squad isn't bust, but the coaching is. Poor marker defence, big hits rather than ball and all tackling, a play pattern that is now so predictable you can call them in advance, coupled with a cross field link between two halves that is so slow the opposition needn't move up - apart from they do and frequently threaten Deacon on the last play, resulting in awful kicking.
Rotation is bizarre coupled with occasionally suicidal - Wigan in 2006 play-offs - but there's evidence of it in every match - Tell me why Matt James, one of a few fit players was on the pitch for little more than 15-20mins, whilst Menzies is being left out for the full 80 or near as damn it. That tells its own story - because two aussie post-30 yr old second rowers are our most creative players. That in turn illustrates a rather odd pattern of recruitment, because let's face it McNamara's strategy is recruit second rowers who might be able to play as stand in half backs, front rowers or centres - the squad's full of them.
I haven't joined the debate between the naughty boys and girls and the patronising school teacher types for fear of ending up in a 'camp'. But anyone who thinks this is a blip, down to injuries, or some other lame excuse is missing the point. this is a direct outcome of a poor system that has become ingrained and needs uprooting. MacNamara has to go, they'll be plenty of applicants for his job, it's not as if RL has a surplus of SL coaching opportunities. Oh and I was at the match and in the half of our crowd who applauded the players for their efforts, irrespective of the performance, rather than booing, shouting for their money back or giving the players the finger (all of which was predictable but WRONG). If this goes on too much longer we'll start to eat in to the 10,000 home crowd that is our base, and that will make the situation much worse.
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| Quote ="anarkik"Morrison, Burgess, Menzies, Platt all worked hard, and the squad isn't bust, but the coaching is. Poor marker defence, big hits rather than ball and all tackling, a play pattern that is now so predictable you can call them in advance, coupled with a cross field link between two halves that is so slow the opposition needn't move up - apart from they do and frequently threaten Deacon on the last play, resulting in awful kicking.
Rotation is bizarre coupled with occasionally suicidal - Wigan in 2006 play-offs - but there's evidence of it in every match - Tell me why Matt James, one of a few fit players was on the pitch for little more than 15-20mins, whilst Menzies is being left out for the full 80 or near as damn it. That tells its own story - because two aussie post-30 yr old second rowers are our most creative players. That in turn illustrates a rather odd pattern of recruitment, because let's face it McNamara's strategy is recruit second rowers who might be able to play as stand in half backs, front rowers or centres - the squad's full of them.
I haven't joined the debate between the naughty boys and girls and the patronising school teacher types for fear of ending up in a 'camp'. But anyone who thinks this is a blip, down to injuries, or some other lame excuse is missing the point. this is a direct outcome of a poor system that has become ingrained and needs uprooting. MacNamara has to go, they'll be plenty of applicants for his job, it's not as if RL has a surplus of SL coaching opportunities. Oh and I was at the match and in the half of our crowd who applauded the players for their efforts, irrespective of the performance, rather than booing, shouting for their money back or giving the players the finger (all of which was predictable but WRONG). If this goes on too much longer we'll start to eat in to the 10,000 home crowd that is our base, and that will make the situation much worse.'"
I think that says it all.
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| Quote ="clared"Well by looking at the future games its not looking good up to Easter
Hull, Cats, Cas and Rhino`s only game looking likely is a win at Cas and that looks unlikely after our performance tonight.'"
Another person underestimating Cas........
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| Quote ="ritz"Everyone around me tonight said they hope macca resigns, some fans dont help by saying players are crap.
One bloke shouted out to platt, oi platt go back to salford ur crap, platt turned back round and his head dropped. But he did have a good game, better than a fair few others, once again sherriffe did diddly squat, even halley has something about him in pace, sherriffe doesnt even have that.'"
That was disgraceful, I felt ashamed to be in same stand as that pr1ck. That was just after Tomkins break, Morrison clipped him then Platt finished him off - gave away a penalty when Tomkins conned the ref by holding Platt down - but still try - saving tackle. Then some idiot abuses him for making a great tackle, I despair .
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| Quote ="anarkik"Morrison, Burgess, Menzies, Platt all worked hard, and the squad isn't bust, but the coaching is. Poor marker defence, big hits rather than ball and all tackling, a play pattern that is now so predictable you can call them in advance, coupled with a cross field link between two halves that is so slow the opposition needn't move up - apart from they do and frequently threaten Deacon on the last play, resulting in awful kicking.
Rotation is bizarre coupled with occasionally suicidal - Wigan in 2006 play-offs - but there's evidence of it in every match - Tell me why Matt James, one of a few fit players was on the pitch for little more than 15-20mins, whilst Menzies is being left out for the full 80 or near as damn it. That tells its own story - because two aussie post-30 yr old second rowers are our most creative players. That in turn illustrates a rather odd pattern of recruitment, because let's face it McNamara's strategy is recruit second rowers who might be able to play as stand in half backs, front rowers or centres - the squad's full of them.
I haven't joined the debate between the naughty boys and girls and the patronising school teacher types for fear of ending up in a 'camp'. But anyone who thinks this is a blip, down to injuries, or some other lame excuse is missing the point. this is a direct outcome of a poor system that has become ingrained and needs uprooting. MacNamara has to go, they'll be plenty of applicants for his job, it's not as if RL has a surplus of SL coaching opportunities. Oh and I was at the match and in the half of our crowd who applauded the players for their efforts, irrespective of the performance, rather than booing, shouting for their money back or giving the players the finger (all of which was predictable but WRONG). If this goes on too much longer we'll start to eat in to the 10,000 home crowd that is our base, and that will make the situation much worse.'"
Agreed.
The highlighted part is the only bit I don't agree with simply because a poor performance doesn't deserve applauding. Applauding should be for when praise is deserved.
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| Quote ="debaser"Cas are scoring for fun. They will rip us apart.'"
That`s what i mean another totally embarrasing day to look forward too
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| Quote ="Fully"Another person underestimating Cas........'"
Not really, a club like Bradford should be beating the majority of the clubs in the league - including Cas.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Not really, a club like Bradford should be beating the majority of the clubs in the league - including Cas.'"
I would love to be like Cas at the minute, a team full of exciting youngsters that give there all every game.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Agreed.
The highlighted part is the only bit I don't agree with simply because a poor performance doesn't deserve applauding. Applauding should be for when praise is deserved.'"
Applauding is for the effort, and for wearing the shirt, making & taking the hits. Anyway - the general consensus is that it was not the players fault tonight, the boos mainly came when Sky put up a live shot of McNamara.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Applauding is for the effort, and for wearing the shirt, making & taking the hits. Anyway - the general consensus is that it was not the players fault tonight, the boos mainly came when Sky put up a live shot of McNamara.'"
Ah well, everyone has a different interpretation it seems. The crowd seemed pretty split with 50% doing nothing or booing, and the other half clapping.
I stood still and stayed til the end, but didn't clap or boo.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Agreed.
The highlighted part is the only bit I don't agree with simply because a poor performance doesn't deserve applauding. Applauding should be for when praise is deserved.'"
Yes and some of them did deserve praise, some of them still had the enthusiasm to form a scrum (some didn't), some of them took a belting, and some played well despite being abused from the stands before the game had got going, one of them probably has quite a serious injury and others played on with injuries. I reckon unless you are sure you would/could do the same/better then it's at least worth some applause to acknowledge those who did make the effort. Not only that, I haven't seen Wire improve in leaps and bounds with their fans booing them at every opportunity, something i hope we stay clear of, just as long as we also stay clear of their ex-coach!
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| Well, that was a waste of diesel.
We actually put together a performance that was bad for 80 minutes. A performance that one or two posters have been praying for. The OP must have used up several boxes of tissues as the match progressed, and I don't think he was crying.
In the previous games, there have been some very good aspects of the performances and many players have done well enough - the majority, probably - but tonight, it was difficult to pick out more than a handful who emerged with any credit at all.
The magnificent three of menzies, Morro and Burgess were the pick, and oh how i wish that nincompooop Thaler would have got TF out of the way of the pass to Jeffries who was clear, 12-6 coming up to half-time would have been a different proposition but as usual, when you're crap, your luck is crap too, and we kept up our record of gifting the opposition position, length of the field progression and a try in the dying moments of the half, which is our speciality this year.
I don't know if Deacon had concussion and blurred vision last week, but he played and kicked as if he still has. Jeffries was awful again.
Any more positives? Well, Platt had another very solid game, and was easily the pick of the "Backs", though as far as I could see, during the game we picked up injuries to Platt, Newton (who could hardly stand up by the end), Godwin (sounded like a break), Nero to name but a few. This did not help, but it does not excuse the general level of performance which was in a word abysmal. We never once looked like we would score, so much so that when we did avtually string an attack together, the useless Sheriffe put the ball down post haste instead of running a few clear yards to improve the angle, as he probably thought he was dreaming and wanted to score before he woke up.
Needless to say, Deacon's kick was nearer our posts than Wigans. Was he drunk? From normally metronomic kicking, apart frm that shambolic slice, he was lobbing low dollies straight to the oppo wingers or full back, or kicking out miles on the full. Unbelievable, really, for a kicker of his quality.
One to forget, and I fervently hope a one-off. I don't care how many are injured, i want more fire in the belly and more effort than that.
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