Whats in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23455 Quote 1.30 pm Saturday March 7 (before Aldershot game) in bantamspast museum, above Surridge UpFront Sports. Chaired by David Pendleton, bantamspast museum. Panel: Terry Armstead, IDL White Abbey Branch Alan Carling, Bradford City Supporters Trust Darren 'Dazz' Clarke (tbc), City Gents Supporters Club Steve Gorringe, Shipley Bantams Mike Harrison, City Gent fanzine Nick Kitchen, Council Petitioner All City fans are welcome to come and talk about the Odsal Sports Village project, ground-sharing with the Bulls, stadium purchase, Council involvement with City etc. etc. Admission free. Tea and snacks at the UpFront cafe.'" Any City fans on here fancy going along and giving us a report?

www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23455 Quote 1.30 pm Saturday March 7 (before Aldershot game) in bantamspast museum, above Surridge UpFront Sports. Chaired by David Pendleton, bantamspast museum. Panel: Terry Armstead, IDL White Abbey Branch Alan Carling, Bradford City Supporters Trust Darren 'Dazz' Clarke (tbc), City Gents Supporters Club Steve Gorringe, Shipley Bantams Mike Harrison, City Gent fanzine Nick Kitchen, Council Petitioner All City fans are welcome to come and talk about the Odsal Sports Village project, ground-sharing with the Bulls, stadium purchase, Council involvement with City etc. etc. Admission free. Tea and snacks at the UpFront cafe.'" Any City fans on here fancy going along and giving us a report?

Views seem to be pretty polarised on there. www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23407

Views seem to be pretty polarised on there. www.claretandbanter.co.uk/showthread.php?t=23407

Ahh the Bradford Northern days, oh how i miss them! What with sack the board, all the players are crap, sack Fox he couldn't coach his way out of his green bay packers coat, Caisley knows nothing about RL and should sod off back to Leeds, selling Odsal and moving in at Valley Parade.....................oh hang on!

I will allways be a Northern fan till the day i die! and i will do the same with the Bulls, allthough it is'nt be with the same pride i had for Northern, its allways got me as tacky the bulls brand, even down to the bull badge, you couldnt beat the Bradford Coat of arms or the boars head!

20 years on and the same old craps being spouted de ja vu or what????

Oh good, another debate. That will get it built. Pity we can't power the diggers with hot air...

If it ment getting Odsal redeveloped then I'd be happy sharing with virtually anyone. Oh that takes me back to my school days.

www.bcst.co.uk/?q=node/1508 Quote David Pendleton opened proceedings by explaining that he had organised this event so that City fans could discuss the situation about ground-sharing and related issues among themselves. He would be inviting the Leader of Bradford Council, representatives of other political parties and of Bradford City FC and the Bradford Bulls to take part in a similar meeting before the next home game vs. Port Vale on March 21. He then outlined the situation facing Bradford Bulls, who cannot continue in their present stadium for much longer, and have enlisted the support of the Council in helping to build them a new venue through the Odsal Sports Village (OSV) project. This is the latest in a long line of Council initiatives to help the Bulls, which is in marked contrast to their relationship with Bradford City, as David explained by referring to a number of historical examples, including the attitude of the Council at the time of City’s financial crisis in 2004'" My impression of their attitude was that they did their level best to shove the Bulls to VP so that the pay-off on the lease would go straight to City, bailing them out. I also don't see the comparison between the 2004 BCFC crisis, born of ludicrous mismanagement and the Bulls' problems which stem from Bradford Council's mismanagement of Odsal.

www.bcst.co.uk/?q=node/1508 Quote David Pendleton opened proceedings by explaining that he had organised this event so that City fans could discuss the situation about ground-sharing and related issues among themselves. He would be inviting the Leader of Bradford Council, representatives of other political parties and of Bradford City FC and the Bradford Bulls to take part in a similar meeting before the next home game vs. Port Vale on March 21. He then outlined the situation facing Bradford Bulls, who cannot continue in their present stadium for much longer, and have enlisted the support of the Council in helping to build them a new venue through the Odsal Sports Village (OSV) project. This is the latest in a long line of Council initiatives to help the Bulls, which is in marked contrast to their relationship with Bradford City, as David explained by referring to a number of historical examples, including the attitude of the Council at the time of City’s financial crisis in 2004'" My impression of their attitude was that they did their level best to shove the Bulls to VP so that the pay-off on the lease would go straight to City, bailing them out. I also don't see the comparison between the 2004 BCFC crisis, born of ludicrous mismanagement and the Bulls' problems which stem from Bradford Council's mismanagement of Odsal.

Every time Pendleton speaks he seems to be having a go at the Bulls, by whingeing about the councils' alleged extreme financial bias in favour of Bulls at the expense of City. His slant seems to be that the Bulls have for years been showered with reams of free money whereas poor old City have been ignored. The agenda is clear - they want to stay at VP at all costs, presumably paid for by giant subs from the Council, and for the Bulls to be kicked off Odsal and be second class citizen tenants paying huge rents etc through the nose to "ground share" the VP concrete monstrosity.

I find it odd that so many of the most vocal critics of City moving to Odsal seem to be under the impression that Odsal will remain in its current state when it is obvious that the OSV development is a pre-requisite.

Cos the majority of City fans are dumb?

Bradford Northern/Bulls have had plenty of years to sort themselves out somewhere to play without having to rely on the council have they not?

The council's mismanagement of Odsal since 1985/86 is largely the reason it's in such a mess now. Had they managed to complete the proposed development for the Speedway WC final then the ground would have had two completed stands and terracing all the way around plus additional buildings for the club. Unfortuantely the scheme went by the wayside when it was half complete, leaving the club with a ground less suited for RL than beforehand.

I can understand City fans wish to stay put. It's the same for Bulls supporters. It'll be a devil of a job to persuade either party to move across town.

The only way I can see city fans maybe moving is if the new OSV bears no relation to the present Odsal and is badged up 50/50 as Bulls & City. Even then many would be against it.

Similarly I can't see Bulls fans putting up with a move to VP unless the future of the club was at risk. That's more likely to be due to finance than any RFL marking too.

Yes, they've had billions sitting in the bank just waiting for a site to come up. The interest alone must run in to millions now. They should just buy Old Trafford and get on with it.

Well it's tough sh*t isn't it?

I'd love a much bigger and better place to live, but I aint whining that no-one else will sort it out for me, the reason the club is at the mercy of the council is because they, historically, never thought being in charge of their own destiny was worth it.

Calm yourself, you'll do a mischief!

The club is NOT at the mercy of the Council. However IF the club is to stay at Odsal or perhaps even in Bradford, then it cannot happen unless either the OSV or some other such scheme come to pass, because nobody has had the financial muscle, nor ever will have (Russian oligarchs absent) to pay to plant a decent stadium in the Odsal bowl. You know this.

If your house was falling down, or was seriously overcrowded, or other valid reason, the Council would if you qualified sort it out for you, so stop talking dross. They would sort it out for you even though (I am admittedly presuming) thousands of the local population don't come and watch you perform, and none of them give a shi# where you live. If you are a major porn star I apologise for the last comment.

Not if they'd previously handed me over a large cheque to give me responsibility for sorting such problems out.

I've stated over and over again that I don't think pro sports clubs should be benefitting from public money so I'm not going to get into it again.

You know what the large cheque was for, and it certainly was not to build a new stadium - in comparison to the cost of which it would have been better described as a miniscule cheque.

But as I understand it, OSV is certainly not the Bulls "benefitting from public money", it is a joint venture between several parties and needs the Bulls' ground to make it feasible. The Bulls would, of course, benefit from the arrangement - but not for nothing, and so would everyone else in the district, as well as the immediate partners.

There is no rule that a pro sports club is forever compelled to operate as a solo entity.

Sorry Asim not wanting to have a go at you personaly here but when you see things like this written by Football fans it really does not inspire any confidence in doing what City want us to do and move to VP to ease their rent issues.



We would be back to being second class rent paying tenants somewhere where we are tolerated rather than wanted, you only have to read some of the BCFC forums to see that.

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TRY for . . . . anything, but that.

Don't worry, we don't want you.

Who's we? Many on the City boards seem quite keen on having (making even) the Bulls move in.

Me and my army.

I can't see any of this happening, due to the fact of the bantams.
6,000 fans have already signed a petition to say that if they move out of valley parade they will not go watch city any more.
Also, to buy Valley Parade it cost's 2.5 mill however to buy the sporting village it cost's 15 mill, i see it has only the bulls in favour of this going ahead.

Really? First I've heard of this, I think you might be getting it confused with the number of season tickets sold for next season.

I'm sure the majority of City fans would accept the Bulls at VP if they really had to (ie to guarantee the future of the club), though you don't readily invite someone back to your house when they decided to sh*t on the carpet on their last visit.