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| Quote ="jockabull"It has been mentioned before that it may help us out, will they not also have two in the Exiles team?'"
Yes i believe so
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| Quote ="jockabull"will they not also have two in the Exiles team?'"
Could be 3. I think Meli, Soliola & Puletua are all in the squad.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Could be 3. I think Meli, Soliola & Puletua are all in the squad.'"
Is Meli in there aswell - thought it was just Soliola & Puletua.....................
Oh well the more the merrier
That is dependant on all of the said 7 players playing, and if they feel they can play 2 games !!
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"Is Meli in there aswell - thought it was just Soliola & Puletua.....................
Oh well the more the merrier
That is dependant on all of the said 7 players playing, and if they feel they can play 2 games !!'"
There's no question they can call off the league game then?
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| The idea of the exiles match sounds ok in theory but in practice I fear it will be an exhibition match. Could well be that neither side busts a gut and it gives the England coach no more clue as to who can play under pressure as a game versus France would've.
How many players have dropped out of the exiles team so far? How many more will drop out after this weekend?
I hope I'm wrong but I think it'll be a predictable anticlimax. At £19 a ticket it's a bit pricey too for a new concept. If they'd made it £12 or £14 it might have tempted me a bit more.
If it's to work what we need is a big marketing push like the Aussies did with Origin back in 1980. Before then Origin games were lucky to get attendances of 2k but suddenly they got 30k. It also helped that the players bought into the concept and took it seriously. On that front we need someone like O'Donnell to flatten one of his club teammates to spice things up. That would show all that the players meant it.
Without that it'll just be like a half hearted exhbition game. I was at GB versus The Rest of the World in 1989 which was a mouth watering prospect when you looked at the teams on paper. On grass it was a bit of a training session.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"There's no question they can call off the league game then?'"
But wouldnt St. Helens still be able to play the league game as they have a squad big enough to compensate ??
Or is there a rule somewhere stating otherwise !!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"The idea of the exiles match sounds ok in theory but in practice I fear it will be an exhibition match. Could well be that neither side busts a gut and it gives the England coach no more clue as to who can play under pressure as a game versus France would've.
How many players have dropped out of the exiles team so far? How many more will drop out after this weekend?
I hope I'm wrong but I think it'll be a predictable anticlimax. At £19 a ticket it's a bit pricey too for a new concept. If they'd made it £12 or £14 it might have tempted me a bit more.
If it's to work what we need is a big marketing push like the Aussies did with Origin back in 1980. Before then Origin games were lucky to get attendances of 2k but suddenly they got 30k. It also helped that the players bought into the concept and took it seriously. On that front we need someone like O'Donnell to flatten one of his club teammates to spice things up. That would show all that the players meant it.
Without that it'll just be like a half hearted exhbition game. I was at GB versus The Rest of the World in 1989 which was a mouth watering prospect when you looked at the teams on paper. On grass it was a bit of a training session.'"
Yeah, that seems to be the whole nub of the issue. As it's a glorified club game the RFL should have tried marketing it through clubs and offered people with season tickets reduced entry prices.
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| I used to like the Roses games but they didn't work as those that played for Lancs didn't seem to have as much pride in the jersey. When Peter Fox coached Yorkshire they were invincible.
Can't think of a sub-national concept that breeds the same rivalry as Origin that would work over here.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I used to like the Roses games but they didn't work as those that played for Lancs didn't seem to have as much pride in the jersey. When Peter Fox coached Yorkshire they were invincible.
Can't think of a sub-national concept that breeds the same rivalry as Origin that would work over here.'"
Roses games were quality for fans, it was great cheering on Yorkshire and the banter between fans! Now you mention it Yorkshire did seem to be more passionate about it then again maybe i'm just completely biased. WHITE ROSE, WHITE ROSE! Bring it back I say.
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Chris Bridge - average in a great club side. See Darryl Goulding.
JJB - done nothing for 2 years. Not big enough.
Jon Wilkin - how many times can he get thrown around at international level?
Would have picked McGilvary on one wing.
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| The disappointing thing about this squad is its predictability and conservatism.
He's picked players, as Tigertot, who have been tried and found wanting. JJB isn't going to ever be good enough to go up against the Aussies, and Ryan Atkins was in the RL press only this week saying that his form didn't merit being picked!
All in all not a squad to have me licking my lips in anticipation. I'd have sooner seen more of a blend, with some 'players for the future' given a chance alongside the experienced players. Foster and McGilvray are two obvious examples, but there are others.
Unlike some on this thread, I'm quite looking forward to this game. I think it has a bit of a novelty factor and I hope the players treat it seriously. Of course if some of the Saints players get bashed up then that's a bonus as well
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| Quote ="tigertot"Ryan Atkins - dreadful down under last year. Would have given Welham a go despite being ginger.
Chris Bridge - average in a great club side. See Darryl Goulding.
JJB - done nothing for 2 years. Not big enough.
Jon Wilkin - how many times can he get thrown around at international level?
Would have picked McGilvary on one wing.'"
I agree.
The England selections remind me of the days when the same old characters got selected regadless of their form. Seems Macca's no different to his predecessors.
I'd have been more likely to go to the game to see a few new faces like McGilvray, Lomax, Foster, Clark & Welham.
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| Quote ="Harlequin Gooner"A Player is dropped after scoring [i[u[size=1504 [/size[/u[/itries on his last international appearance
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Clubb seems to have sorted his defence out this year too but IIRC those 4 tries were against pretty poor opposition.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"At £19 a ticket it's a bit pricey too for a new concept. If they'd made it £12 or £14 it might have tempted me a bit more.'"
Standing tickets were £14. If you voted for the team, you got a discount code for a fiver off, meaning they were only £14. Well, £15 with the quid booking fee.
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| Quote ="pulsator2k7"But wouldnt St. Helens still be able to play the league game as they have a squad big enough to compensate ??
Or is there a rule somewhere stating otherwise !!!!!!!'"
Going back to the days when we had Australian touring teams and most international games were played during the season (it's not [ithat[/i far back), there used to be a rule about clubs having more than (I think 3) players selected for international duty being able to call off league games which clashed with the international. I'd guess (but don't know) that the rule still applies, though whether this would apply to what, despite its international flavour, is really a domestic trial game is the point I was pondering.
Neither the size of the squad, not the number international players in it, made any difference to the club's right to call of a league fixture and virtually all clubs did.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Going back to the days when we had Australian touring teams and most international games were played during the season (it's not [ithat[/i far back), there used to be a rule about clubs having more than (I think 3) players selected for international duty being able to call off league games which clashed with the international. I'd guess (but don't know) that the rule still applies, though whether this would apply to what, despite its international flavour, is really a domestic trial game is the point I was pondering.
Neither the size of the squad, not the number international players in it, made any difference to the club's right to call of a league fixture and virtually all clubs did.'"
Although you're spot on, even if they were allowed, could you see the Bulls/Saints game getting called off considering it's on Sky?
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Although you're spot on, even if they were allowed, could you see the Bulls/Saints game getting called off considering it's on Sky?'"
Suspect that may well be correct!
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5 Tom Briscoe (Hull FC and Featherstone Lions)
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9 Danny Buderus (Captain) (Leeds Rhinos & Australia)
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| Thought McIlorum was an Aussie?
Both team look strong, it has the potential to be a good game.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Ryan Atkins - dreadful down under last year. Would have given Welham a go despite being ginger.
Chris Bridge - average in a great club side. See Darryl Goulding.
JJB - done nothing for 2 years. Not big enough.
Jon Wilkin - how many times can he get thrown around at international level?
Would have picked McGilvary on one wing.'"
Atkins better than Bridge. Shenton did pretty well in 4N
JJB, been a standout this year. Does little wrong and lots of little things right
Wilkin, as above.
Fact remains, not enough English quality in SL. A situation manufactured, encouraged and tolerated by clubs and administrators.
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| No he was Irish but switch allignences to England like Brough did from Scotland. Based on them teams if the Exiles click I think we will lose.
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