if we can carry on performing like we have the last 4 games then a win should definitely be the aim. It would be nice to win by at least 2-3 trys to help build up some confidence in both the players and the supporters.

Not quite must-win but getting on for it - six wins from nine required if we do, seven if we don't...

It's make or break, if we lose this then we can kiss good bye to any hopes of the playoffs.

We sure as hell better make it, or Steve Mac will have some answering to do. If we don't make it then that will be the final straw for me and my banner for Macca out will be flying high and mighty.

Even then I can't see it being enough. IMO the teams above us have too big of a lead on us. Also it would means us starting to show the type of form that hasn't been evident over the last 18 months.

they all have to play each other, because there are loads of them. Throughout the year, a 50/50 record has been enough for 6th or 7th. Maybe a statto can further inform us but I think that will be enough.

Here you have a point.

A lot has been made of the 50% record will take us in to the play offs.

Here's a breakdown of what all the other teams bar Saints and Leeds need to hit 50%.

New wins in bold

Hull KR = 2 Wins needed
Left to play
Catalans, Bradford, Leeds, Hull FC, Castleford, Saints, Salford, Warrington, Wakefield

[uThat would give them 33 points[/u

Huddersfield = 2 Wins needed
Left to play
Wakefield, Harlequins, Warrington,Catalans, Hull FC, Bradford, Saints, Celtic, Wigan

[uTha would give them 34 points[/u

Harlequins = 3 Wins needed
Left to play
Huddersfield, Catalans, Saints, Bradford, Bradford, Salford, Hull FC, Castleford, Warrington

[uThat would give them 30 points[/u

Wakefield = 3 Wins needed
Left to play
Huddersfield, Leeds, Saints, Castleford, Celtic, Warrington, Catalans, Hull KR

[uThat would give them 26 points[/u

Wigan = 4 Wins needed
Left to play
Catalans, Bradford, Leeds, Saints, Warrington, Castleford, Hull FC, Huddersfield

[uThat would give them 28 points[/u

Warrington = 4 Wins needed
Left to play
Celtic, Saints, Huddersfield, Salford, Leeds, Wigan, Wakefield, Hull KR, Harlequins

[uThat would give them 32 points[/u

Hull FC = 5 Wins needed
Left to play
Leeds, Castleford, Celtic, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Catalans, Harlequins, Wigan, Bradford

[uThat would give them 20 points[/u

Castleford = 5 Wins needed
Left to play
Bradford, Hull FC, Salford, Wakefield, Hull KR, Leeds, Wigan, Harlequins, Celtic

[uThat would give them 20 points[/u

Catalans = 6 Wins needed
Left to play
Salford, Hull KR, Wigan, Harlequins, Huddersfield, Celtic, Hull FC, Bradford, Wakefield, Saints

[uThat would give them 22 points[/u

Bradford = 7 Wins needed
Left to play
Castleford, Hull KR, Wigan, Celtic, Harlequins, [Harlequins, Huddersfield, Catalans, Salford, Hull FC

[uThat would give them 25 points[/u

Mate, bear in mind that most of those teams have to play each other. They can't all get two points every week.

A 50/50 record most years would get 7th or better. Any team that gets a 50/50 record and comes 9th would be unlucky.

Can anyone be ars=blacked to go back through the Rothamns/equivalent and see where 50/50 places you in the league?

For the last 5 years, nearest thing to 50/50 record:

2008
Warrington, P27, W14. Finished 6th.
Bradford, P27, W14. Finished 5th.

2007
Huddersfield, P27, W13, D1. Finished 5th.

2006
Salford, P28, W13. Finished 5th.

2005
London, P28, W13, D2. Finished 6th.

2004
Wakefield, P28, W15. Finished 6th.


So the rather obvious trend is that an overall 50/50 record gives you just making the playoffs (bearing in mind too that previous years were played with a Top 6 and 12 teams in the league).

If it's desperate, I could probably look further back too, but it seems pointless judging by those figures.

Can see us whupping Cas by 20+ points.

Can see us getting whupped by Cas by 20+ points

I agree with people in saying that this is a crucial game, and close to 'must win'.

It would be unthinkable for a club of our stature to fail to make the Top 8 - and yet if we lose tomorrow it looks likely

I'm going to say Bulls to win a high scoring game 34-28, but I'll be turning out more in hope than expectation.....

A lot has been made of the 50% record will take us in to the play offs.

Here's a breakdown of what all the other teams bar Saints and Leeds need to hit 50%.

New wins in bold

Hull KR = 2 Wins needed
Left to play
Catalans, Bradford, Leeds, Hull FC, Castleford, Saints, Salford, Warrington, Wakefield

[uThat would give them 33 points[/u

Huddersfield = 2 Wins needed
Left to play
Wakefield, Harlequins, Warrington,Catalans, Hull FC, Bradford, Saints, Celtic, Wigan

[uTha would give them 34 points[/u

Harlequins = 3 Wins needed
Left to play
Huddersfield, Catalans, Saints, Bradford, Bradford, Salford, Hull FC, Castleford, Warrington

[uThat would give them 30 points[/u

Wakefield = 3 Wins needed
Left to play
Huddersfield, Leeds, Saints, Castleford, Celtic, Warrington, Catalans, Hull KR

[uThat would give them 26 points[/u

Wigan = 4 Wins needed
Left to play
Catalans, Bradford, Leeds, Saints, Warrington, Castleford, Hull FC, Huddersfield

[uThat would give them 28 points[/u

Warrington = 4 Wins needed
Left to play
Celtic, Saints, Huddersfield, Salford, Leeds, Wigan, Wakefield, Hull KR, Harlequins

[uThat would give them 32 points[/u

Hull FC = 5 Wins needed
Left to play
Leeds, Castleford, Celtic, Hull KR, Huddersfield, Catalans, Harlequins, Wigan, Bradford

[uThat would give them 20 points[/u

Castleford = 5 Wins needed
Left to play
Bradford, Hull FC, Salford, Wakefield, Hull KR, Leeds, Wigan, Harlequins, Celtic

[uThat would give them 20 points[/u

Catalans = 6 Wins needed
Left to play
Salford, Hull KR, Wigan, Harlequins, Huddersfield, Celtic, Hull FC, Bradford, Wakefield, Saints

[uThat would give them 22 points[/u

Bradford = 7 Wins needed
Left to play
Castleford, Hull KR, Wigan, Celtic, Harlequins, Harlequins, Huddersfield, Catalans, Salford, Hull FC

[uThat would give them 25 points[/u

Nice work RER - but you've basically ended up agreeing with me. Six wins or less won't do it, but seven most likely would. You have us in 9th, right? And if all your predictions come off except we beat Wigan at home, that would put us on 27 points, ahead of them and Wakey.

Let me reiterate that my point isn't that we will make the play-offs, just that it is more up-for-grabs than people seem to think. Every game's a cup final till we've lost three...

We play better away from home and after the defeat against the Dragons eight days ago we have someting to prove.

Well, given that the only team between us and the play offs to lose so far this weekend is hull there's even more presure on Bradford to get a result this afternoon

It could depend on who plays at centre. If we`re back to a defensive combination of Sykes and Sheriffe on the right hand side it will most likely mean we`ll have to score at least ten points more to win than if Beaver plays no. 3. If not we need to hope that Rikki defends like he did at Warrington and not like on too many other occasions this season. Oh for a defender like Scott Naylor.

I'm pretty confident of a win today.

I'm backing us to reach the play offs. Lets hope we start to play some good rugby on the way too.

After a good start Cas have won only 1 in their last 7 games, given that they are a rival for a place in the almighty top 8, and the fact that Wigan, Wire and the Dragons have all won this weekend it's a must win and we should be looking to easily cover the 8 point handicap with the bookies as well..

I've had the feeling all week that one team is in for a drubbing today.

Hopefully we'll be dishing it out, after 2 or 3 convincing displays in the last few weeks.

Doesn't matter because we'll win all our remaining matches just watch.

Don't think you should be bolding our name. We've beat First Second and Fourth place lets make it third aswell


And I'm sure We've still got to play Wakefield at home

After the performance against Leeds I was pretty confident today.

Stupid me.

Ditto.