No. I simply ask that you suggest an alternative and then argue your case as to why they will necessarily do better. And people seem reluctant to do this for some reason.

It's not intended to be an argument closer but an argument initiator. However, sadly too often the people calling for the sack have no clue as to who they want to bring in. Now I don't expect them to be experts in the likelihood of various prospective coaches taking the job. But the fact that they aren't doesn't seem to make them pause and wonder whether there's a soft landing at the end of the leap they want to take.

Asim makes a fair point about Millward, though 'second most successful Super League coach' is a little disingenuous given the extent to which he is damaged goods.


Crucial omissions corrected.

Look. I, like most on here, expected us to comfortably make the eight and have a decent dig at the four. The fact that we haven't done the latter and are close to certain now not even to manage the former gives me pause for thought. This squad, shorn as it has been of Solomona and Morrison, should still have been good enough to do better. In fact we have seen it do better. But rarely for a whole game, incredibly rarely in successive games since the first half of 2007.

The question is, what to do about it? Make the head coach carry the can is the obvious answer and not necessarily the wrong one. I just don't have any confidence that it won't prove to be counter-productive. In the mean time, the long term plan goes out of the window for... what? A new long term plan? Another five years? Or do we keep chopping coaches who can't get the job done inside three?

These are not rhetorical questions. They are very real ones that the club will have to face if it takes the action that pretty much everyone on here save me, Duckman and I think FA (feel free to clarify, folks) want them to take. I think the chances of us happening on another Brian Smith to turn the club around are pretty remote. I suspect we're more likely to end up with another Ron Willey. Maybe I was part of the Negative Tendency all along.

I'm not saying that Macca is a bad coach or that we are a bad team, arguments can be made on all sides of thos equations. What is undeniable is that the club and the coach are a mismatch. We simply don't fit together.
It is also imperative that the club is now decisive and show all and sundry what they intend to do about it. I'm afraid that the youth development policy will not work on it's own. By waiting for the youth to develop we will see the crowds dwindle even lower.(This week could be alarming. WE can't qualify for the play-offs and it is the getaway weekend for the 6 weeks holidays. They could announce the crowd to the teams instead of the other way around). Once the crowds have bottomed out we may find that we have to sell any players that we develop simply to stay in business.
Maybe what we need is to put Macca in charge of the youth development whilst bringing in a proven coach that can turn fortunes around.
And don't forget the coach only needs to get us higher than 12th to be a success now, he doesn't have to be challenging for honours in his first season.

If you want trite, yes, of bloody course he is. But all season I have been hoping we could do a better analysis than just "sack the coach" which in many quarters is sheer vindictiveness, the same proponents usually also want a "hard man", hairdryer coach because they want the players to be roundly shouted at.

If I thought either of those things was THE answer then i'd support them too, but I comment on what i see, and that is, a team with a soft underbelly, not playing for each other. All must take a fair share of the blame for this disaster of a season and McNamara is the man in charge - of the first team at least - but I reserve my biggest personal criticism for the players, who have let him and all of us down, and my firm conclusion is that over a season if you played that same lot, a coaching team of JC and Vlad the Impaler wouldn't achieve a higher league position.

Although enjoying the fact that Wakey are higher in the pile than you lot, I do think it is sad that the two so-called new shining lights of Brit coaches have turned out to be poor, both dragging down recent Grand Final sides (you and Hull FC). It's made sadder by the fact that the most effective purchases this season have been of two Aussie coaches, with Brown at Hudds and Smith at Wire.

Maybe the answer is to never promote an assistant from within the same club. Some people are just meant to be assistants, and if they want to go higher, perhaps they have to go lower to learn the trade.

I know what you're saying, but Elliott was Smiths assistant, Noble was Smiths and Elliots assistant and they both worked out well, we've had the same coaching lineage (sp?) since 1996 and it brought us many many trophies. I think part of our problem is that whilst this approach can and has worked for us, we've done it too much now. And the next appointment, whenever it is, needs to be someone external to the club this time and a fresh start.... wont be anytime soon though.

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How many lessons can one side be taught?

I can't see Macca being in charge much loner. Bring Hanley in til the end of the season while an Aussie is recruited (my prediction, not choice).

Please don't sack McNamara because if you do we'll probably end up with him at Hull.

Tough $hit. We'll see if your board are as stupid as ours

Commenting in a post match interview after the defeat at the hands of Hull KR







This guy is a Muppet of the highest order, he has taken a top flight team and turn them into the sorry opposition they you see before you today. Even when you’ve stuffed up a running lead he comes up with this garbage.

You really need to get rid.

The reason I say this is, as much as we may have our differences, bottom 3 is no place for a West Yorkshire team (except for Castleford of course)

I find myself agreeing with you for a change LS16 Rhino. He is the biggest muppet in West Yorks at the moment. And thanks for your last comment I'm touched

I wouldn't be surprised (or too disappointed as I put on another thread) at anything at the mo to be honest. And your call is as good as anything else I've heard. But my feeling is that McNamara will be with us for 2010 unless we have a cataclismic end to the season, like not winning again.

I feel the board took the decision earlier this season to see out this "rough patch" and back their man. Perservely each loss might just make them more stubborn to be proved right with McNamara.

If we don't make the play-offs, which looks very likely, then Macca should walk himself. We are getting worse each year, next year we'll probably be contending for the wooden spoon if Macca's still in charge.

You tell me where the next wins coming from? I can't see one now.

Celtic away, Salford home and possibly one of the Quins fixtures. We've thought that before, and then been so erratic to beat Wolves, Saints and Leeds.

You and I might as suffering supporters, but if your mortgage and kids food was being paid by your contract which runs for another 18 months would you give up that money to volunteer for the job queue? Or would you wait to be paid up at least the money owed you?

Precisely. He's not going to walk, and nobody in his position would do. Whether it's "the right thing" for the club, the players, the fans etc. is entirely irrelevant. It would be the wrong thing for him, and at the end of the day, you look after Number 1 first and foremost.

I would then talk to Mr.hood about a settlement as "I no longer feel I am capable to run this club".

I know. I think we'll win 3 of our remaining 8, but I have no idea which and no proof for that guess other than blind faith. If I had to pick 3 I'd say Celtic, Salford, Hull. But its pin the tail on the donkey stuff.

At best then three more wins. But in reality one or two. So finishing what? 2nd bottom?

What has happened to this team?

Unless you have total confidence in your own ability & are confident you will soon be in work again you aren't going to walk. Unless Hull still want him.

Not convinced that would happen in the real world. The only thing I could see is McNamara agreeing to return to the assistants role with special duties for bringing through juniors, with a new coach brought in. But that would be at the boards insitance and would not come from McNamara.

Steve McNamara.

This is what he should get in return




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He's also probably got some professional pride and an attitude of 'I'm not going to be seen to fail and I can make this right'. The strong backing the board have given him as the right man is likely to reinforce this attitude.

Are you a yes or no voter these days?
I think you should get off the fence.