I'd feel more at ease if it was Uncle Tom Cobley at the helm, truth be told...

Now you mention it.........

So why would a move to vp be better financiall?

Would the rent of the stadium at vp be cheaper than at odsal?

Are we we still lumbered with the up keep of odsal?

Dose the pitch size at vp matter?

Would the RFL allow this to happen (bearing in mind they have helped us out quite a bit over the years) ?

Would bar income and such like be greatly reduced if we moved to vp?

Would imagine thats the key point and its unclear to say the least. Has been reported both ways since lease sale i.e RFL pays maintenance costs and we pay commercial rent (which is a decent deal for us) OR We pay maintenance costs and pay a commercial rent ( which makes us worse off than under the old lease). One version I've heard is that we are responsible for the maintenance in terms of arranging it and the RFL actually pay the bill, which could explain some of the confusion around the matter.

Would imagine commercial rent for VP and Odsal are broadly similar tbh.

It's pretty impossible to say without any of the 'facts', I guess.

Going back to the forum, PH said that nothing had changed other than the that we were now paying the RFL rather than the council and IIRC that was in answer to a question on whether the club was still responsible for ground upkeep. Maybe someone who took more comprehensive notes than my mental variety could come back on that?

Again, from memory, the club was still spinning the line about "protecting Odsal from predators" as being the reason for the sale so maybe other things were also being 'spun'. They certainly didn't mention running costs directly, neither did they mention the VAT due because the sale.

VP is a much more modern ground than Odsal so I'd expect its value for rental would be higher, to be honest. Having said that, if we believe what has been said on here by people who seem to know, it is City who would be our landlord, not the Gibb pension fund, so maybe they be happy with a different figure, dunno to be honest. I guess though that City would find any reasonable amount to be a boost to their own difficult financial situation.

I certainly can't imagine what the RFL reaction would be to us leaving them with a turkey; they definitely won't be jumping up and down shouting whoopee, and that is a fact.

Bradford City Pay c£750,000 pa to rent Valley parade. NOt sure if that figure includes the amount paid just for the ground, or that was the figure when the offices were being rented too, but thats a top end figure.

If the RFL have taken on our lease, they will be paying a peppercorn rent of about £1 per annum for Odsal. Imagine the delight at redhall if the Bulls move out and they get the council to agree to let them sell it!

Pretty certain you cant sell land you leasing. any money from the sale would go to council not RFL. be like you renting a house and selling it

If we were to move out it would, presumably, leave the RFL with the upkeep, though if it wasn't being used it wouldn't be onerous, presumably. Where did the £1 come from btw, I know we weren't paying a 'commercial' rent but no-one said it was just £1? I think "peppercorn" was the usual euphemism, but that doesn't have any real definition, other than not a commercial rate, presumably.

I think when trying to evaluate the value of Odsal for other uses it has to remembered that there are issues with 'toxic' elements having been tipped there over the years. I think it has to be assumed that there is a cost involved in removing the danger from this stuff.

You can generally cap off contaminated land to build on it. I just can't see any demand for the site in the current climate except waste dump, incinerator or another supermarket.

I assumed that the RFl would have taken over the bulls rent liabilities. The £1 is often quoted as the rent that we were actuially paying to the council prior to oweing the RFL a fortune that we were struggling to pay back!

With previous development schemes, the making safe of the area in terms of gases from the previous use as landfill, were to be met by the developers. The prime location, and size of the land would probably still make it attractive. part of the expense of running Odsal as it is now is down to having to monitor methane levels.

TBH, would anybody object to the RFL getting their money back from selling the ground, and Bradford council also making a decent wedge fropm selling Odsal? I am sure that, should the Bulss either move out or disappear totally, that there could be a deal done that in beneficial to both!

Tesco would be a good bet - I suspect they could swing a planning decision their way, no problem!

I'd rather have a nuclear dump on my doorstep than that greedy scum.

I can't believe the irony passed you by TT..

Lots of space on Ilkley Moor. Could be a nice little earner for BradMet...

I wondered if it was a reference to the Big Society of Ilkley pulling together to get their cumulative wishes completely ignored by the greenest government in history.

I still think you are a closet Tory.

Where does TT have his Maggie Thatcher Tattoo??

Has there been an issue with Tesco and the good folks of Ilkley? No, my comment was a sideswipe at the Superdome fiasco.

Seems to me you've answered your own question there!

Oh yes.

I presume Tigs is alluding to the planning permission granted for a new, much larger Tesco in Ilkley?

If so, he's only peed off cos the extra proles traffic will delay the delivery vans from Lishmans and Bettys...

Not forgetting the weekly hamper from Harrods!

One has that flown in these days. With all the proles on the road the caviar is orff by the time it arrives otherwise.

Is it the Australian Black Caviar? always a winner!