The figure that I had in mind was based on an average season ticket price of £250.

If you can get 4,000 paying the average price, you have £1,000,000 coming into the club. This is feasible and certainly achievable, as I'm positive that we could sell that volume.

The big problem then would have to be, how to convince those that through tough economic reasons, simply can't afford the newly inflated costs.

Wonder if it's anyone we've heard of??

What the club knew before he was signed is the one big element of the whole farrago that I would really like to know. That a top business solicitor, who given his categorical statements at the time was pretty certain of his ground, could get it so wrong is really strange. I appreciate that the law is, famously, 'an ass' and that there are rogue decisions sometimes, but to have our case thrown out as it was by the judge shows something was seriously amiss. It shouldn't be forgotten that Harris's own legal team, reportedly,also said he was free to sign, so they got it wrong too. Somehow, I suspect this information will be 'redacted'.

I'm beginning to wonder if there's a newco lurking out there waiting for the green light. Is there any way of discovering if someone's registered the name of a new club with Company House (or whatever it's called) in the last week or so?

There is, but in real terms the name of the New Co could be "It's Not The Moon Ltd" and when they take over the club officially, the name of the company is changed to (for example) Bradford Northern Bulls 2012 Ltd.

I did a quick search for obvious names, 2 companies connected to the bulls, 1 connected to northern. All companies active.

Its difficult to find a newco as you need to know the exact name.

Even in the current economic environment there are thousands of new companies registered every week, and I don't think there are any off the shelf companies with such helpful names as "Bradford Bulsl 2102 Ltd" or "Bradford Bulls - The Sequel" - so if there is someone out there you need them to confess in public - besides "We Hate Rhinos Limited" is already taken

There are alot of questions, however as a SL club the Bulls will still exist.

There are also somethings that will stop the player drain.

Quotas, unless the RFL allows other clubs to nab your quota players, these guys are mostly stuck with Bradford or nothing.

Salary Cap : I'm not an expert but there must be a few running at cap now, so getting additional players mid season will not be possible for these, and other clubs are not at cap for a reason, they can't afford it. So unless Bradfords new terms for players are so rediiculouslly low as to make it worth while for players to wait until next year to get paid by a new club, then they have the oppertunity to keep players who can't jump ship this year.

Revenue is key, with the debt liquidated along with the old club, would the player wages at reduced rates be covered by gate receipts?

How much of the stewarding is cuttable beyond getting into trouble with health and safety. Is stewarding and club staffing something that could be done by fans on match day to support newco?

There are only 4 home games between now and end of season for bulls

£20 * 10,000 (optimistically) * 4 games = £800,000 of revenue,

That's £200,000 per month of revenue if they can get the fans in, so can they make it work??? Surely someone could, with depleted debts and costs.

The RFL could throw one of their "dispensations" into the mix to help with quota & salary cap for other clubs if they felt player welfare warranted it...

For the reasons above and more, I don't think the RFL have thought through their statement at all. It may be wishful thinking from them because, aside from anything else, they're stuck with a lease that will get no return if there isn't a sports club around to utilize it. In reality it's very difficult to see how a liquidated Bulls could fulfill their fixtures.

The RFL will do all in their power for you to fulfill your fixtures , if you dont I dont see how Mr Wood can keep his job

Depends on the lease????

Does the lease have a covenant that requires a sporting club to be there, or could the RFL lease it out the land to a nice new shiny Tescos????

Just a thought, I know the RFL are a sporting body, but it does not mean they could not gain rent by other means so long as it was permitted???

They could but this would help players whilst hindering the new bulls.

Also a cap dispensation still requires a club to have the money to spend.

The council still own the land and the development rights to it

The RFL now own the head lease to lease a stadium at "peppercorn" rent levels

They have been sub leasing it to Bulls at a more "commercial" rate

but does that mean they can't change the use of the land if say the bulls decide to go to valley parade??

Not without the council's approval.

Assuming that the head lease has just been taken over by RFL without any changes - because when we had the lease those were the terms we had

I would be surprised if the council would make any strong objections if it could turn a profit on any new developments

Oh yes. As long as the council got a good share, they wouldn't object. Tesco (and all supermarkets) though at Odsal have been & gone.

Logistics/warehousing though...

National Planning Policy is now in favour of 'sustainable development'. Ignoring the laughable abuse of that term, if there was some business venture that stacked up financially the odds on it getting planning at Odsal would be high, almost certain on appeal.

Everyone is going on about how much the bulls owe. What income is likely if someone takes over? Have we had all our Super League money upfront?. I take it season tickets are now voided if a new company is created, raised turnstile prices?. What other income is likely, new sponsors? Sell players? another pledge?

True except to develop a site it still needs the owners approval, which in this case is the council, so they would not be blocking any development as a council, but as owners.

It was just a thought given that allegedly Caisley was after renegotiating the Bulls lease, after the Bulls got £1.2m off the RFL, which the RFL took the Stadium lease for repayment. Then people are saying the lease is worthless without the Bulls. I was not so sure. Warehousing could be a good call, you could get a lot of warehousing on the site and lots of volume.

Especially given it's prime location to the motorway.

The thing is, there is no income to speak of, there is no sponsor within a 7 day camel ride, and there would be no point, at all, in even thinking about starting newco if your business model was begging money off the fans every month!

If season tickets were dishonoured then thousands would not pay so gate income (even ignoring the inevitable departure of the best players) would be way down.

You'd have to fill it in to build anything on it. Not sure how easy/difficult that would be. The land next to it has already been sold too IIRC (the land behind the main stand). The land behind the Coral Stand needs decontaminating too.

Your current season tickets may not be honoured due to admin i know AG did it when he didnt have to. Its a fan alienator but there would be no obligation if a new owner comes in.

Thanks for answering Mick, just too busy this pm to even look at the site. And, with tongue in cheek, a pledge is the other, too obvious, one. These have to be seriously looked at to ensure the newco/whatever long term viability, any business trading successfully would not have to do hang on to tax,