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| Quote ="Bullseye"I've just logged in, can anyone summarise the previous 4 pages so I don't have to read it all?
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It's the virtual equivalent of not attending games.
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| Quote ="Asim"If you've not been here to read it you aint allowed to know.'"
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Aren't we lucky? We have this weeks' excuse already!
So......
Week 1 - We didn't have a friendly against a SL side.
Week 2 - Ganson
Week 3 - Injury
...from T&A 9th March 2009
Bradford winger Semi Tadulala states that the players are working hard in training in order to put right the mistakes in the game v Wigan on Saturday that sees the Bulls drop periously close to bottom of the table.
"We are making sure we are getting this sorted and the boss has been working hard with us in order to make sure that we are learning from our mistakes" said the Fijian winger, before adding, "the injury to Sam hampered us this week and with him, I am sure we would have won. We are trying very very hard."
I wonder what the excuse in week 4 will be?'"
Ever thought even slightly, for one moment, that we might be celebrating our first 2 points of the season rather than finding an excuse for a loss at the weekend?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"So you acknowledge you lost the argument? I'm just taking you on at your own game sunshine, and by the looks of things landed a few telling blows. Its not my fault if you don't like getting a taste of your own approach thrown back at you. I doubt you'd like to hear what various people I talk to at the ground think of [iyour[/i attitude. Not your opinions, note; your attitude.
As for message board nobodies that no-one cares about - the big difference is that I don't actually [iwant [/i (or need) to be a "message board somebody". I'd hardly have kept clear of this (and any other) board for nearly a year otherwise, would I? I came back, for now anyway, because I was asked - by several people.
Really? In fact, I brought the fact that you don't go to the games to demonstrate that you cannot be as informed as someone who does.
It would normally be nobody's business whether you went to games or not; you don't have to go to games (any or every) to be a [isupporter[/i and to hold whatever opinion you want, and to express that opinion - within reason. However, when "supporter" has morphed into what you have become - with your incessant negative barrage against pretty well everything to do with the club, its coaching staff and most of its players - while still calling yourself a supporter - then people would at least expect you to be as well informed as you could be?
And I'm not sure how most observers would believe a keyboard warrior from afar can be sufficiently-well informed to be able to express such seemingly immovable and entrenched opinions with sufficient credibility.
af is in a similar situation, as you keep pointing out now you are getting upset at perceived difference in treatment (although I think you'll find he is nevertheless better informed than you are, but that's not central to the issue). The difference is in the way that af expresses his opinions, and how (unless driven to it by extreme frustration) he does not try to ram them down everyone's throats at every available opportunity.
There comes a point where constructive criticism, and even criticism borne out of frustration (and God knows we can all relate to that, and may well feel more of the same by the end of the weekend!) crosses a line and becomes an obsession; when it becomes an end in itself. That is where it seems to me that you are at now
And that is why I urge you to think about why you started posting on here - it was because you were a [isupporter[/i, right? Its very unhealthy if all the supporters toe the club line; but if you are going to constantly criticise everything without ever allowing that there may be reasons for why things are as they are, then that's surely equally unhealthy?
I apologise to the board in general for all this argument. I have said my piece now and you won't get this again - life's too bloody short. I've tried over recent months to deal with this through the PM system, but without success.
Anyway...
Exactly! THIS is surely what we should be talking about, rather than fighting amongst ourselves? Anyway, this from the T&A:
"In-form Burgess limped off against Huddersfield to give fans more reason for concern but he soon returned to the fray and will be fine for the crucial trip."
Hopefully this will be the case, and good news therefore!'"
Good to see you back Adey.
I'm not going to point the finger at anyone but the start of this thread is a prime example of why a lot of people just don't bother even looking at the Forum anymore. If its not get rid of this player, its isn't this player useless or sack Macca or other equally depressing reading and as I say a lot of people have just given up.
I can honestly say I post more on the boards for other Clubs than I do on RAB as I've gone from being a poster to more of a lurker here mainly because the whole forum is becoming a bit of an in joke to a lot of people both on RL Fans and off it and to be honest who would want to be associated with that? We're getting a reputation for being the most depressing and miserable boards on the RL Fans network.
This is just my opinion though and I've said my piece now so I'll go back to lurking.
But with regards to this weekend, we will be playing our third game of the season against Wigan and as I said rather than looking for excuses why we have not won when we haven't even played the game what's wrong with a bit of optimism. I'll be at the JJB with hope in my heart anyway, who can say this wont be the start of winning ways for the rest of the season?
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| Quote ="Gill J"Ever thought even slightly, for one moment, that we might be celebrating our first 2 points of the season rather than finding an excuse for a loss at the weekend?'"
Sorry?
I am a Bradford fan, could you explain what 2 points are?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Sorry?
I am a Bradford fan, could you explain what 2 points are?'"
I think the words Gill would use are <[isorry for putting them in your mouth Gill[/i> "I rest my case, M'lud" . . . . . .
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Sorry?
I am a Bradford fan, could you explain what 2 points are?'"
Just hope for the win and you will find out.
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| Quote ="Bullpower"I think the words Gill would use are <[isorry for putting them in your mouth Gill[/i> "I rest my case, M'lud" . . . . . .'"
To be honest i have no idea what you are on about?
I must also add that that comment I made was so obviously sarcastic that it did not need the wink smiley at the end.
But you knew that already didn't you?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Sorry?
I am a Bradford fan, could you explain what 2 points are?'"
If you need it explaining then how can you call yourself a 'fan' however sarcastic this comment was meant to be? There also is a difference between being sarcastic and making what you view as a joke out of a positive comment. I don't find sarcasm funny or clever.
As Bullpower has already said I do rest my case, this response kind of proves my point and that of the other people on this thread. I and others have far better things to do than read the negative and depressing tripe we have been seeing on this board lately posted by a minority but I've just one thing left to ask.
Are you planning on making the trip down to the JJB to watch the team you say you are a fan of play along with the rest of us Bulls 'Supporters'?
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| Quote ="Gill J"If you need it explaining then how can you call yourself a 'fan' however sarcastic this comment was meant to be? There also is a difference between being sarcastic and making what you view as a joke out of a positive comment. I don't find sarcasm funny or clever.'"
I despair.
(as it happens, I know exactly what two points are. That is what we settle for when we get penalties awarded in attacking positions I believe?)
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No. I will watch it on the telly this week if you don't have any objections?
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I despair.
(as it happens, I know exactly what two points are. That is what we settle for when we get penalties awarded in attacking positions I believe?)
No. I will watch it on the telly this week if you don't have any objections?'"
So did you watch it on the telly in the previous two rounds as well?
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Well you shouldn't. As it (possibly) needs spelling out, Gill J had written a concise explanation about the sort of constant carping, bickering, whingeing, moaning, and jibes which she says puts her and other people off RAB:
Quote ="Gill J"If its not get rid of this player, its isn't this player useless or sack Macca or other equally depressing reading '"
So yes, we all completely 'got' that your "[iWhat's 2 points, I'm a Bradford fan[/i" was sarcasm. It is you who is missing the point. Gill J told us what sort of stuff in her opinion puts people off. You, and in a direct reply, post precisely more of the same stuff.
To be clear, I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't post. It's a free country, and a reasonably free forum. Just don't pretend to be so naive that you don't understand her objection.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
To be clear, I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't post. It's a free country, and a reasonably free forum. Just don't pretend to be so naive that you don't understand her objection.'"
What I was despairing about is how someone could be so touchy over a bit of sarcasm. Some people do get worked up over the slightest things and it a bit sad TBH.
However, nice to see you talking for others again.
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| Quote ="debaser"So did you watch it on the telly in the previous two rounds as well?'"
Nope, I had to settle for the internet radio link I am afraid. I am sure I will see more once Sky TV's Wire love-in finishes.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"What I was despairing about is how someone could be so touchy over a bit of sarcasm. Some people do get worked up over the slightest things and it a bit sad TBH.
However, nice to see you talking for others again.'"
TBH I found that particular bit of sarcasm to be following a certain downbeat theme you're stuck in!
You could well have been in a jovial mood when making it but even if that's the case it does get coloured by your other stuff. I guess that's the risk you take when posting, we don't see any body language or hear your voice so you make a judgement on what you read only.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"TBH I found that particular bit of sarcasm to be following a certain downbeat theme you're stuck in!
You could well have been in a jovial mood when making it but even if that's the case it does get coloured by your other stuff. I guess that's the risk you take when posting, we don't see any body language or hear your voice so you make a judgement on what you read only.'"
Fair enough, but the part I despaired about was the comment of
"I do not find sarcasm either funny or clever."
If that is the case, I wonder why someone would want to spend time on an internet message board as they would no doubt get rather upset on a frequent basis?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"What I was despairing about is how someone could be so touchy over a bit of sarcasm. Some people do get worked up over the slightest things and it a bit sad TBH.'"
Hardly a "bit" though - and thats the point. Its been an unremitting stream from you, and a torrent from Asim. Hasn't it?
Used on industrial scale like this, as Gill points out its neither funny nor clever - it just makes the user of it look "a bit sad", if anything IMO.
Some others may be lost causes, but you've shown in the past you are more than capable of making very effective and humorous posts without having to resort to cheap sarcasm; lets see the old ME back, eh? He seemed a much nicer guy!
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| Quote ="Bullpower"I remember that! ACE!
Anyone still got the <predominantly white> Steam Pig teeshirt?'"
I've got the grey mottled one with the 'steam pig' bursting out of the front
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"..
However, nice to see you talking for others again.'"
I was speaking for myself, as the whole post makes clear, except the bit where I said we all got your sarcasm. Is that the bit you object to? Really? You think that there are people who did not get your sarcasm? Truthfully?
What is a pity is that you seem disinclined to take on board any part of what Gill J said.
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Am I supposed to? I never realised that. My apologies.
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| Let me try and explan another way. Imagine you had a sewage leak at the bottom of your garden that the council were struggling to fix. It would annoy you a lot, but you'd probably have a sense of humour about it. Now imagine one of your friends or acquaintances went on about it incessantly, taking every opportunity to make a joke about it and also stating to you quite seriously that they hate your garden because it stinks of sh.t. I think a lot of people would have a similar reaction to that person as Adeybull's pal has to you. They know that things aren't going the way they'd like and they find it grating to have that seep into almost every thread, like sewage into a garden one might say, thanks to one-liners from yourself.
I mean, come on, that two points joke doesn't even make sense. One point is an utterly unremarkable return from the frst two games of the season and the Bulls have collected more Super League points than any other club bar one, so why wouldn't a Bulls fan know what two points are? Yeah, t's 'just a joke' and I can live with it, but I can also understand why people get sick of it and end up staying away from the board as a result.
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| Quote ="af"
I mean, come on, that two points joke doesn't even make sense. One point is an utterly unremarkable return from the frst two games of the season and the Bulls have collected more Super League points than any other club bar one, so why wouldn't a Bulls fan know what two points are? Yeah, t's 'just a joke' and I can live with it, but I can also understand why people get sick of it and end up staying away from the board as a result.'"
For goodness sake lighten up!
I am trying, as Adey said, to be a bit less hassle to some folks on here. The least some people can do is maybe let me at least TRY to do so?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"For goodness sake lighten up!
I am trying, as Adey said, to be a bit less hassle to some folks on here. The least some people can do is maybe let me at least TRY to do so?'"
TBH I am sick to death of your moderate approach. I know of at least 20 people who I don't see at games who will gladly chin you.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza on another thread"...going to watch a Rugby match should be a laugh and something you look forward to after the rigours of the working week but I think some people have startted to take it way too seriously both at the game and on here but I guess that's for another thread...'"
on reading that, it occurs to me that maybe we could all do with some of that cherry brandy and macaroons to help us get things back into their proper perspective?
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| Quote ="the chairman of The Paul Deacon Fan Club, referring to tigertot,"...I know of at least 20 people who I don't see at games who will gladly chin you.'"
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