Can I have next weeks Lottery numbers please?!

It's funny, I read this post earlier and have a memory of some of those numbers being much lower....

I see your trickery Mr. Moderator with the power to edit posts without the "edited" suffix

Stunned by the finish, however we really were poor for 60 mins of the game and need to play that last 13 mins for 80mins.

Well done BULLS

Well it’s papered over some cracks, but let’s not be mistaken, those cracks are still well and truely there. Will need a massive improvement if we want to do something this season.

That being said it is a cup game and the result is the only thing that matters, not the performance. Fantastic last 10-15 mins to take it to GP and then to get the win. When Lilley was lining up for the DG I was screaming to take another two tackles to get closer but alas he did it! Fev probably paid for it in those crucial moments having a prop in the halves. Minchella’s two touchline kicks were unbelievable too!!

Next round I want Doncaster at home (on paper easiest tie). Or Leeds Home or Away. If we can’t get any of those three. I’d take a big SL away purely for the split gate for the attendance.

Unbelievable finish. Especially as we were utterly dire for 70 minutes.

We can score points when we take a few chances. Please can we start doing that more rather than in the last 10minutes as an act of desperation.

Ha ha. You got me.

Wow



Edit: I've just read the previous two posts. Sneaky.

Almost a shame that the incredible comeback and result will mask yet another terrible performance from us. Hard to pinpoint exactly where our issues lie but for whatever reason we've just not been at the races at all yet this season.

Perhaps this level of performance is actually our level. Too often we say we're better but then what the better looks like we're unsure of because it never or rarely comes.

I'm quite happy with where we're at. Too easy to focus on the negatives.

Well, what a last 10 minutes. Certainly need to improve on the first 70 minutes, but I suppose it’s not how you start it’s how you finish.

I had a pound on Elliot missing the last kick to draw level. Didn’t mind paying out

Feath fans must be gutted. Bulls fans were going home, radios turned off and Twitter closed. Not for the first time either. I remember when we came back from the dead to draw at home to Leigh. I'd stopped paying attention long before the fight back. Or when we thought we had only to turn up against York and tried to mount a miracle 2nd half recovery. It feels very us. Quite a rush when it works out but not turning up until it's nearly too late is a habit we should break.

It'll be interesting to watch the video back of the entire game, to see just what it was that made the difference in the last 10 minutes. Yes, I know we threw the ball around like mad men and took chances which under "normal" team instructions we wouldn't have, but there must have been something tangible which suddenly switched the team on. I couldn't believe I'd been watching the same team for the previous 70 minutes.

For the amount of money we're spending on this squad (and charging at the gate) these performances are not acceptable. I'd guess there's probably only Toronto and Toulouse spending more than we are currently. And yet we've been outplayed by York, Sheffield and Featherstone recently and almost lost to Keighley a couple of weeks ago. Alarm bells should be ringing.

I do think our performances should be much better with the players we have. I wouldn't say alarm bells should be ringing as we're winning and have grounded out some tough wins in some really difficult fixtures.

I do think Kear has instilled a mental toughness Bradford sides have lacked since 2012, which is huge for this league and especially come play-off time.

We do need to start performing for 80 mins though. To be 26-8 down against a side that had a Prop at 6 isn't good enough. If we can sort it out, then I think we'll be a real dangerous side if we make the play-offs.

Performances do have to improve but this side really seems to have grown some balls this season.

Any ideas why he played the best centre at the club from the bench and the best back rower at the club in the centre?

Baffled at that one me.

I would imagine with such a short turn around, Kear didn't want to use Webster for the full 80.

A tad harsh to say alarm bells should be ringing. The reality is that we are a newly promoted side, and this is the reality of life in the Championship. Yes, I know this was a cup game, but it was against opposition that at the start of the year were tipped by many to be in the playoffs.

If we take stock of the season so far, the points difference of 9 in the league tells it's own story. We haven't tonked anyone, yet haven't yet been tonked. Our biggest defeats of the year has been by 14 points - one of which was a torrid performance against Tolouse who still never really ran away with things and the other a game we were on top of before a red card. We've been competitive in every single game, and surely that's all anyone wanted before the season kicks off? (Cue Fax stuffing us on Friday...!)

Yeah, we didn't blow Keighley away, and we struggled yesterday, but it's the old cup mantra that it doesn't matter if you win by one or one hundred. Room for improvement, sure, but the fact we're digging in and getting results despite not being very good at points means that when we come good, we'll be quite good indeed (too optimistic?)

Nah not buying this 'newly promoted' rubbish as an excuse. We've been in this league before, JK has coached in this division long enough to know what it's like and almost all of our players have played in this division or higher before now. As I've already said, despite the low central funding we have still spent far more on our squad than most so the fact that we came up from league 1 last season is irrelevant.

The fact that we haven't been hammered (yet) isn't really the issue - it's the abject performances we're putting in with ball in hand that's disappointing me the most. You talk about 'when' we come good, but who is to say this will definitely happen? We can't even use the injury excuse anymore because barring the two long term absentees everyone was available for selection yesterday and we were still hopeless. There is nobody left to come back and make a difference to the way we play.

Full match highlights already out. Nice fast edit from the Bulls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCbBdf-uPc Edit - jeez - some of that defence was utterly atrocious!

Full match highlights already out. Nice fast edit from the Bulls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMCbBdf-uPc Edit - jeez - some of that defence was utterly atrocious!

If you think being near the top of the spending league equates to any sort of right to a "decent" showing, I refer you to Salford Reds in the Koukash era, Leigh Centurians last season, the fact that London are in SL over the Wolfpack and Bradford Bulls in the second tier c2015-2017.

You can dismiss newly promoted all you like, and the fact we have been in the Championship before (we've also won the cup before, as has John Kear, but I ain't booking a trip to Wembley just now) but the fact is last time we had a crack at the Championship, the club was on the brink of going bust forever, so it's actually a bigger rebuild job than the flimsy dismissal you seem to be giving it. I don't think my expectations are as large as yours, nowt wrong with that of course.

I agree, who is to say we will come good? Equally who is to say we won't? Depends on how full/empty your glass is innit.

I think we've been affected by McNally & Keyes (2 key positions) more than we can compensate for. Keyes was obviously our organiser, best tactical kicker and best at ending sets. We're still struggling to find a combination that does all that consistently, especially the last one. Milnes is young and learning. Chizzy seems to go "off-plan" more than JK likes. If you can't end a set well, you just invite pressure and limit try scoring chances.
Ethan Ryan is learning FB quickly, there were a few good moves when he hit the line at the right time & caused Fev problems. But again, McNally would have been doing that all season. I'm not sure what the answer is. I'm sure we've been looking for decent quality FB's since December. I read that we'd put in an offer for Tangata as well, so we're looking at all areas.

You're missing my point. I don't expect us to be near the top or getting promoted. However I DO expect us to be able to play with some attacking cohesion, string a few passes together, put on a few set moves and offload the ball once in a while. Right now we seem incapable of doing any of those things, except for maybe in the final 9 minutes of a match that is all but lost.




The loss of Keyes is huge, no doubt.

I’m disappointed with the attacking play as well. We seem to have some obvious deficiencies:

First, the backline stands too flat and takes the ball too slowly, partly because we’re too flat. Often a passing movement is just aimless passing down the line to a man that’s almost level. Players aren’t moving at speed. It’s very easy to defend against. When Ethan Ryan scored our first try yesterday that was the only real occasion I’ve seen us actually line up in attack with some shape and depth and hey presto we scored. It shouldn’t be difficult to get in position to run those attacking plays, you just make a call 2 or the tackles in advance so you’re all ready and in the right field position. Simple stuff in theory.

Second, we run across field far too much. How many times does Connor Farrell or Matt Garside run toward the corner flag instead of the try line when we’re in the opposition 20m area? It drives me mad. He just takes all the space from the centre and winger and creates nothing, no drop off or anything. Similarly our halfbacks run across the field to drop a player off inside and do it too far from the defensive line. As a result it doesn’t move the defence out of position at all. I can understand young Milnes being a bit reluctant as if you do this move properly you’re probably going to get smashed but doing it 2 or 3m from the defence creates nothing.

Thirdly, we never seem to offload. When we do it takes us by surprise. Fev must have triple the number of offloads to us yesterday. When we started to do it in the last 5-10 minutes it changed the game. What a surprise! Up the jumper rugby doesn’t create anything.

Lastly our last tackle options have if anything got worse in recent weeks. We are kicking the ball dead or putting in an easy kick far too often. Even worse we just turn the ball over without applying any pressure at all. Then there’s the usual desperation kick to the winger because we can’t move the ball through the hands. We need to do better. Milnes has a great short kicking game, can we use that more please?

I do think the halfback changes haven’t helped. We do also have two young players at halfback now so things will take time to gel. Changes to fullback haven’t helped either but I do think Ethan really did well yesterday with a try and two assists.

Despite our attacking weaknesses we’re still doing ok. Defensively we’re much stronger than we were in 2017. I had us to finish anywhere between 5th and 8th this year. I still think that’s possible but I think we need to improve the attacking play.

I was talking about cash not buying a decent performance, so I really don't think I was! You can't buy consistency, because as you say, we can do it, we just don't always do. A criticism that could have been levelled at pretty much every Bulls side in the past decade, so it's nothing new and certainly not panic stations IMO

Sort of what I was getting at earlier. With respect to your "we pay £X to get in so we deserve better" argument, I agree on the whole, we should be putting in better performances. But, I think we've had a very unsettled team this year, particularly in the front rowers and halves, and taking that into account, I would have bitten anyone's hand off to have taken our current league position at this stage in the season. I think your frustrations are partially, but not completely justified.