Regarding Koucash. Seems unlikely huns.

Unfortunately, Charmers is the public face of himself.

For what it’s worth I genuinely do believe that Koukash is already involved behind the scenes, maybe wrong but I’m fairly certain he is.

Hamster that was a pretty good read by the way

I've thought that from the word go

Hudgell may not like Chalmers, and vice versa, but Neil is without doubt a very smart and successful lawyer, AND businessman.

Chalmers recent hostile and ongoing reaction to his (i.e. Hudgell's) taunts was naive (inc AC's rather childish jibe in this weekend's T&A). The manner in which Chalmers has reacted to the Hull KR Chairman will have been exactly the reaction that Hudgell would have hoped for.

What ever happened to the quiet and circumspect (and in my opinion more savvy) version of AC who was first 'handed' the Bulls in early 2017. Chalmers (and his man't team) are letting his/their guard down. Chalmers in particular seems to be very rattled at the moment. Why? May he be hiding something?

What are you so obviously alluding to Belcki? You seem particularly interested in this subject going by your posting history. Are you Hudgell in disguise

Why would he have to be hiding something? If the super league chairmen got their way the clubs future, and Chalmers investment, could be in jeopardy. Is that not enough reason for him to be ‘rattled’?

I think Belcki is alluding to the opaque way Chalmers gained ownership of the club. Hudgell alluded to it during their media spat. Whatever. It's in the history books now and love him or loath him he's the owner of the Bulls.

As you say the disagreement over future structures seems to be the flashpoint here. Chalmers has been very public with his opinions and made a few enemies. Whilst I wouldn't have been as undiplomatic as him in the media I can't fault him for being cynical about the motivation of some SL clubs. Those same clubs have screwed the Bulls in the recent past and I wouldn't trust Hudgell and co as far as I could throw Nigel Wood.

It's all very unedifying and as I said before it's like the passengers arguing over who gets the best deckchairs on the Titanic. If the RFL had a CEO that could inspire confidence and pull everyone together there might be some hope. Unfortunately we've got Rimmer.

If you read the twitter thread on Aaron Bowers feed today Michael Carter is on there talking about how the RFL wouldn't answer a direct question on what proportion of the losses reported last year were down to the out of court settlement with the players of the old Bulls team.

Lot's and lot's of politics.

It's clear that there's more to it than just an "investment opportunity" for the Wakefield owner. That was just making mischief IMO. Probably a shot across the bows of the RFL.

The spat/ personal insults and these latest comments about Odsal are obviously all interlinked.
Chalmers is one of the spokesmen for the Championship and League One clubs. None of those clubs have shown any dissent regarding his published comments. Neither have they expressed any disquiet with the tone of his comments.
Each side in this conflict seems pretty united. The Super League side has two major advantages. Not only are they the elite, they have appointed a very shrewd operator as CEO.

Might Andrew Chalmers be about to become a reincarnation of Marc Green and others who went (and failed) before him with the Bulls?

Before we post, let us be clear. Me and my friends are long term, honest, hard working Bulls fans who want the club to succeed. We are not as has been suggested some nasty little trolls acting in cahoots with the likes of Hull KR's Hudgell and Wakey's Carter.

The words below we have good reason to believe is the truth. We do, however, say and report this with a very heavy heart.

To begin with a friend of ours has a local kid who works for the Bulls on match days. They haven't been paid now for over 2 months and when the kid's parents (and other unpaid staff) politely asked Bulls management why they were not being paid they were accused by the club of being trouble causers and threatened with the sack. Nice. The kid has still not been paid his meagre wages despite many (false) promises by the club that they would be paid. That is shocking and disrespectful to us fans and all Bradfordians. It is also immoral. To quote Andrew Chalmers' own words from his most recent article in last weekend's Telegraph & Argus ... "[iWhere has the respect gone for each other? .... We must not lose hold of old fashioned values, like respect, please and thank you. It goes a long way in life[/i".

Second, another friend of ours works for a local supplier to the Bulls and his employer haven't been paid their recent bills by our club. We hear that the Bulls cannot pay because our club haven't got the money to pay some, or maybe many, of their suppliers. Our friend's firm believe our club is now trading as an insolvent business and more worryingly they appear to have been in such a mess for the past 6-8 months. To quote again from Chalmers' own words in last weekend's T&A .... "[iWe must be mindful of how we act, and what message we want to send out." [/i

Mr Chalmers needs to practise what he (so patronisingly) preaches.

Key player signings may look good to us fans and boost Chalmers seemingly fragile ego, but such expenditure may be unaffordable. Recent signings are largely future, and not, current spend.

Third, another Bulls fan is aware that one first team player has suffered a real bad injury. Professional rugby league players are involved in a high impact, collision sport. As a bare minimum our players deserve to have the club pay for much needed medical insurance in case they suffer god forbid a life threatening injury or die on the pitch. The Bulls do not insure our players because apparently it costs too much. What kind of standard does that set to other clubs? We repeat what Chalmers said in his T&A article ..... [i"We must not lose hold of old fashioned values, like respect. It goes a long way in life[/i". So does medical insurance, Mr Chalmers; it can help save a rugby league player's career, or in the event of a career ending injury can give a player much needed cash to help them rebuild a life 'off the pitch'. Mr Chalmers talks of respect; therefore isn't it time that he respects the Bulls players by doing the right thing and paying for their medical insurance?

So we go back to the question posed above ..... 'Might Andrew Chalmers be about to become a reincarnation of Marc Green and others who went (and failed) before him with the Bulls?'. When Mr Green's version of the Bulls was on its last legs in September 2016 (and becoming desperate for cash to stave off the club's inevitable collapse in to liquidation), Marc in a last attempt to take advantage of the fans good nature (or to be blunt con us) started a sinister early sale of the next year's season tickets. If Mr Chalmers does the same then we believe that will only go to further show that our club is well and truly in dire straits no matter what fancy spin he and/or the club tries to put on it. We would not at this time use our debit cards to lend the club one single penny, and may we urge fellow Bulls fans to think twice about doing so. If Mr Chalmers will not pay his hard working match day staff then why should we pay our club anything? ... if we did, we believe we may risk losing every single penny.

Andrew Chalmers also says in his recent article and we quote .... "[iI know a large increase in trolling has arisen, because the keyboard army finds it too easy to slag off the opinions, views and actions of others from the comfort of their lounge, safe in anonymity. It’s all unacceptable behaviour[/i." Mr Chalmers, it is NOT unacceptable behaviour to say what one believes to be the truth; it is called freedom of speech, not trolling. Moreover, our club owner cannot for example be allowed to stop the T&A asking difficult questions of him. The truth and inquisitive questions may hurt Andrew, but it may be time that you faced up to it. As a result of his repeated acts there are an ever increasing number of Bulls fans starting to lose faith in Mr Chalmers as our owner. This post is not meant to be some form of AC character assassination, it is simply a plea after 6-7 years of abject misery for the Bulls to do what is right for our great club.

Andrew Chalmers, like Marc Green (and others before him) were, we are led to believe, inappropriately hand picked by the RFL to be the custodians of the iconic Bulls name when far better bids were on the table.

Chalmers is lucky; if it all goes belly up he can abandon the Bulls and head off back home to New Zealand with no more than a modest personal liability. However, as happened with Mr Green and Omar Khan before him they left many hard working and honest Bulls fans, staff and UK creditors (including our own Bradford Council) out of pocket for sums in the hundreds and thousands of pounds. It is us fans and others who then have to stay loyal, keep on believing and help pick up the pieces. Let us hope that such a groundhog day event will not be soon upon us. That said, given that Mr Chalmers has directly allowed at least two companies to go bust under his watch in recent times then regrettably things do not appear to bode too well for us, do they? The Bulls name is far, far bigger than you are Andrew. In any case, we sincerely hope that you can prove us fans wrong. We, therefore, challenge Mr Chalmers to disprove every one of the observations mentioned above.

Mr Chalmers and the club do we understand have some 'anonymous' alter egos who are also members of this excellent RL fans forum, and other forums. Such persons may well toe Chalmers' party line re the so called 'feel-good factor' which many Bulls insiders (and some rose tinted spectacle wearing fans) repeatedly claim presently exists at our club. We would, however, argue that it does not 'feel good' to be injured in a rugby league game and have no medical insurance to rely upon. Moreover, it does not 'feel good' to be not paid your salary when you have done nothing wrong.

Anyhow, all what has gone on before, and sadly very much looks like happening again, is we believe not just the fault of our faltering club owners, but blame must surely be also attributed to the RFL's former and current 'bigwigs' whose 'fit and proper person' test for Bulls prospective owners is in of itself we believe not fit and proper. On a wider perspective there have been rumours of wrongdoing involving the RFL for many years. In fact, it may even be possible that the RFL could ultimately be found out to be the rugby league equivalent of FIFA.

Isn't it time that all of us rugby league loving people (and independent club Chairman/ owners) got together for the good of the game and seek to remove if at all possible the RFL's handsomely paid hierarchy from governing our sport. This may be done via proper procedures and such a process may we understand be shortly about to commence in earnest.

Looking ahead we trust all members of this RL fans forum and all fans across the wider world of rugby league can be unified in agreeing that it would surely be good if a new truly independent group of competent persons could be appointed to run our sport with the help of the likes of Sport England and the Department of Culture, Media and Sport. Such a new governing body could then run and rebuild our great sport in a fair, open, unfettered, transparent and capable manner, and ideally such a body could be answerable to an independent organisation, and not just be answerable to themselves. Any such overseeing enterprise could ideally contain fans representatives who could (finally) hold the sport's governing body to account.

Apologies for the length of this post, but we are concerned about what appears to be going on and felt that it was time to air our concerns. Thank you.

Yet you voice your concerns anonymously?

Go public or go away.

If this was your first post maybe we would believe it, you have come on here posting negative about the Bulls before. Funny how a club that's supposed to be not paying people has managed to pay for a hotel against WWR on the Saturday.

If this person was a genuine fan they'd go public if there were truth in these allegations I know I would. Why hide behind a username on here? It's not like most Bulls fans come on here either.

You ok Neil? Been on the beer?

If Roger is on I’m sure he’ll be quick to tell us if his lad has insurance or not!

Easy to dismiss what the poster says as untrue because everything seems from a distance as being better than it's been for a long while.

I take what is said with a large pinch of salt because I've seen no proof one way or the other. I will say though that I've heard this insurance thing before from a very (very) good source (albeit last season, not this), so there's at least some shred in there that makes me think this may not all be total guff. I refuse to commit myself one way or the other, but I wouldn't dismiss it as easy as some are doing. I also wouldn't believe it instantly without some degree of proof which I don't expect to show up.

Perhaps the fact I view Chalmers as about as trustworthy as an insurance salesman is clouding my judgement. But I'm usually quite a good judge of character.

I'd have expected to have heard from other sources if there was anything in this. I've heard bugger all. Belcki has only ever posted to do with alleged troubles behind the scenes, bit odd for a fan of such apparent long standing. Refers to Hudgell as "Neil". Pardon me if I remain a bit sceptical.

Regarding insurance- 6 years ago, under Hood, full insurance was £120k per annum. Don’t know what the quote would be now.
Option 2 - club pays as needed
The only important question is whether the players are getting treated appropriately? How it is paid for is just smoke

The RFL pay for death & critical injury insurance for all players and all clubs centrally, as far as I know.

Could this be the next 100 page thread?

Dunno, but can't see a man of integrity like Kear sticking around in the den of iniquity that Neil err belcki portrays...

So come on GobshIIte, put up or shut up! Drop the Bruce Banner b0ll0x and say who you are....

But if I were you I'd worry more about my own team.

Yes they are insured

By the club, or cover it themselves? And the club/insurance pays for things like required surgery? (Not trying to be nosy, it's just a very quick way to either back up or shoot down the accuser's allegation).

By the club. Laithwaite has recently been in hospital for an operation on his leg. Without knowing all the ins and outs, there was certainly no issues with anything. I’m sure if there was no insurance it may well of got mentioned at the time and I guess that type of news would of soon spread around the rest of the squad

If you ask me it's no coincidence that this sort of gossip has come out after Chalmers has started being so vocal about future league structures and getting into spats with other owners. There are plenty of people out there with an axe to grind - former Bulls employees and officials - that know where the bodies are buried. If I was the owner of a SL club and was put out by what Chalmers had said I bet there are plenty of people around ready to dish the dirt to me.

Chalmers would do well to keep his head down and concentrate on the Bulls. Same goes for Hudgell and Carter who surely have enough on their respective plates without bothering with us.

There's another T&A column coming out this week. I wonder what will be in that. Let's hope it's not more playing to the gallery.