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| Well I'm just glad we won. Don't think I would have been happy losing to those grubs. A lot of errors but it wasn't a normal game. It was purely a dogfight thanks to week refereeing. We're still unbeaten in the shield.
I'd put the 6 academy lads in next week..Workington are relegated and it will be a tough rough game to blood them in.
O'Brien had his best game his season.
Thought Ethan Ryan had a poor game last week but responded superbly. He is one of the best wingers defensively I've seen for a long long time. Some great one on one tackles and he made some great decisions on whether to stay out And come in. This Attribute is missing from most wingers in SL. His 1st try was superb.
Think we would have lost that game too if we didn't have Chisholm. The guy is slsll class and can't wait to see him partner Leon next year.
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| We were sailing long and got drawn into the nasty stuff. You have to feel for our lot, so many head shots, lashes with arms in the tackle, knees and elbows that went unpunished. I'd said to my lad before the game that Clark v Barlow would be an interesting sideshow. They put us off our stride as they have done with other teams this year. Chisholm was class at times but the tackling near our try line concerns me. To concede 28 points to Swinton is unforgivable.
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| Well, the 13 vs 11 certainly made it a bit more interesting didn't it?
I've seen games against Swinton twice now this season, and I hope I never have to watch them again - grubby, niggly, and downright dirty. Our indiscipline almost cost us, but you can hardly blame people for taking a swing when there's endless provocation and the ref only seems to see what he wants to see.
Again though, some strange selections. Why exactly was Howarth playing instead of Lumb, and Ferguson in place of Bentley? For goodness sake, we've already guaranteed top spot in the Shield - it was a DEAD rubber!!! Why didn't we have 3 or 4 of the Academy graduates mixed into the 17 for today?
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Well, the 13 vs 11 certainly made it a bit more interesting didn't it?
I've seen games against Swinton twice now this season, and I hope I never have to watch them again - grubby, niggly, and downright dirty. Our indiscipline almost cost us, but you can hardly blame people for taking a swing when there's endless provocation and the ref only seems to see what he wants to see.
Again though, some strange selections. Why exactly was Howarth playing instead of Lumb, and Ferguson in place of Bentley? For goodness sake, we've already guaranteed top spot in the Shield - it was a DEAD rubber!!! Why didn't we have 3 or 4 of the Academy graduates mixed into the 17 for today?'"
You probably answered that last question in your first description of Swinton - which I totally agree with.
Probably not a game to throw teenagers into.
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| Very disappointed that we got drawn into a scrappy game by the idiot Barlow and his pals. Unfortunately their tactics worked and we ended up with a player sent off. At least the game showed Rohan that Haworth must not be given a contract, he was very poor today. BTW a shocking refereeing display once again, I can't believe the things he missed and his interpretation of events today.
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| Quote ="woolly07"You probably answered that last question in your first description of Swinton - which I totally agree with.
Probably not a game to throw teenagers into.'"
I take the point, Woolly and I suspect Rohan would say something similar
But when [iis [/iit a game to throw them in? We couldn't do it before because 'we had to secure top spot', or next week at Workington because 'it always tough in Cumbria' or the following week for some other reason etc etc
It would a shame to let these Shield games go by (let's face it, they don't matter much) without giving a fair few of our Academy graduates a first team run out
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Well, the 13 vs 11 certainly made it a bit more interesting didn't it?
I've seen games against Swinton twice now this season, and I hope I never have to watch them again - grubby, niggly, and downright dirty. Our indiscipline almost cost us, but you can hardly blame people for taking a swing when there's endless provocation and the ref only seems to see what he wants to see.
Again though, some strange selections. Why exactly was Howarth playing instead of Lumb, and Ferguson in place of Bentley? For goodness sake, we've already guaranteed top spot in the Shield - it was a DEAD rubber!!! Why didn't we have 3 or 4 of the Academy graduates mixed into the 17 for today?'"
I wouldn't have risked our Acadamy players against this type of opposition. Since we lost the Open Age players it has become more difficult to put these young players on the field. A couple more years on their backs would help. Besides which we are still paying these players who are leaving us and they know how to deal with this type of play. Apparently Swinton needed one point to stay up and I feel this lends itself to a war of attrition.
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| Quote ="Rarebreed"I wouldn't have risked our Acadamy players against this type of opposition. Since we lost the Open Age players it has become more difficult to put these young players on the field. A couple more years on their backs would help. Besides which we are still paying these players who are leaving us and they know how to deal with this type of play. Apparently Swinton needed one point to stay up and I feel this lends itself to a war of attrition.'"
No, neither would I.
Anyone else slightly worried by the headline on 'Bulls' news' from the website? Apparently, Rohan was "pleased" with the twelve man Bulls - remembering that we used to have coach who was so happy with the way a forward was playing in the halves that he didn't want another halfback to play for us again, I'm so hoping this doesn't lead to us only 'needing' twelve man teams from now on.....
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| Must say I was very impressed with our own Ethan Ryan yesterday. All three tries were something special. That second with the "in and away" was bloody great.
Chuffed that he's signed up.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Must say I was very impressed with our own Ethan Ryan yesterday. All three tries were something special. That second with the "in and away" was bloody great.
Chuffed that he's signed up.'"
That was a very classy try by someone full of self confidence. Also bonus points on his third try for the little roll he did as he grounded the ball
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Must say I was very impressed with our own Ethan Ryan yesterday. All three tries were something special. That second with the "in and away" was bloody great.
Chuffed that he's signed up.'"
He also made some crucial and very well executed tackles in the second half. At least 2 or 3 important "ball and all" tackles when Swinton had an overlap on that side, which if he hadn't made them, it would have been a sure fire try. That overlap of course having been created by Kurt Haggerty losing his rag.
Ethan scored 12 points, but he also saved between 8 and 18 almost single handedly.
The lad done good.
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| Yes I was really impressed with his defence too. It was better than a lot of other wingers I’ve seen play for us in recent years. One particular tackle in the second half when he stopped a 3 man overlap was superb.
He’s shown what he’s capable of now. The challenge is to maintain that and improve on it.
On another note I expect he’ll be at the sponsors quiz night next week, do fellow sponsors have any questions they’d like to put to him or Joe?
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| He looks a superb player. By the sounds of it, a lot of it is down to him knuckling down, grafting and trying to improve himself as much as possible.
His defence (Positioning and tackling) is the best i've seen from a winger for sometime and i would include SL players in that too. Get him in open space and not many catch him and he as an amazing ability to beat defenders when one on one, either by beating them for pace on the outside, or producing outstanding footwork to send them the wrong way. A very special talent we have on our hands.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Must say I was very impressed with our own Ethan Ryan yesterday. All three tries were something special. That second with the "in and away" was bloody great.
Chuffed that he's signed up.'"
12 tries form 11 appearances - hope he doesn't read this and take his foot off the gas but that is a marginally better rate than Vainikolo...
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| I agree I think Ryan is a star of the future, just hope we can hold on to him. Highlight of the game for me was Chisolm turning round on the Swinton 20 line on his way to scoring, to signal (can`t think of a better description) to Swinton and probably the inept referee UP YOURS. Actually surprised the referee did not disallow the try for some infringement like using foul hands.
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| The young lad Ryan has barely put a foot wrong all season. Never seen him get put on his back either, in addition to all the superlatives above.
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| Quote ="ifallwerelikemumby"Highlight of the game for me was Chisolm turning round on the Swinton 20 line on his way to scoring, to signal (can`t think of a better description) to Swinton and probably the inept referee UP YOURS. Actually surprised the referee did not disallow the try for some infringement like using foul hands.'"
I personally didn't like that. But it's because I'm not keen on people being a bit of an idiot, and that's what that came across as.
However numerous times people have said that your best halves in the world often have a little bit of that d*ckhead in them. Numerous examples can be listed and have been on here before. So if he needs to be a bit of that in order to be a better player, then I'll take it.
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Well, the 13 vs 11 certainly made it a bit more interesting didn't it?
I've seen games against Swinton twice now this season, and I hope I never have to watch them again - grubby, niggly, and downright dirty. Our indiscipline almost cost us, but you can hardly blame people for taking a swing when there's endless provocation and the ref only seems to see what he wants to see.
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Laughable...you want to watch your own video of Haggerty getting sent off..first he puts a knee in and then a clear head butt and then there was the ludicrous head high tackle late in the second half but hey I doubt you think any of this makes the Bulls grubby, niggly and downright dirty. Rose tinted glasses spring to mind.
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| I don't think anyone's condoned what Haggerty did. Clark's high shot late on was a lazy effort done without any intent.
The Bulls fell into the trap of being put off their game by niggly tactics. Shame Swinton have this side to their game as they're capable of playing rugby when they forget about the niggle.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I don't think anyone's condoned what Haggerty did. Clark's high shot late on was a lazy effort done without any intent.
The Bulls fell into the trap of being put off their game by niggly tactics. Shame Swinton have this side to their game as they're capable of playing rugby when they forget about the niggle.'"
Totally agree they have a couple of capable players, bit of a poor mans Leigh what they were like couple of seasons back
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I personally didn't like that. But it's because I'm not keen on people being a bit of an idiot, and that's what that came across as.
However numerous times people have said that your best halves in the world often have a little bit of that d*ckhead in them. Numerous examples can be listed and have been on here before. So if he needs to be a bit of that in order to be a better player, then I'll take it.'"
My first thought, was did he [ireally[/i do that, and my second was I hope the ref doesn't disallow the try and give a penalty for 'ungentlemanly conduct'. That said, there was plenty of conduct in the game which couldn't even remotely be regarded as 'gentlemanly', which was totally ignored by the official, and only a minority came from the Bulls.
In my more thoughtful modes I tend to agree with your first assessment, but I think I also have a sneaky admiration for the spunky attitude. Especially against grubby teams like Swinton...
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| Quote ="Marshy1"Laughable...you want to watch your own video of Haggerty getting sent off..first he puts a knee in and then a clear head butt and then there was the ludicrous head high tackle late in the second half but hey I doubt you think any of this makes the Bulls grubby, niggly and downright dirty. Rose tinted glasses spring to mind.'"
Yeah, yeah.... and Josh Barlow in a shoe-in for the England Four Nations squad
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I personally didn't like that. But it's because I'm not keen on people being a bit of an idiot, and that's what that came across as.
However numerous times people have said that your best halves in the world often have a little bit of that d*ckhead in them. Numerous examples can be listed and have been on here before. So if he needs to be a bit of that in order to be a better player, then I'll take it.'"
To be honest i enjoyed. Don't get me wrong i don't want him doing it all the time and being disrespectful like if we were 80-0 up.. But Chisholm had some treatment dished out to him, including a nasty charge to his lower back when he was held up where he bent over backwards, lost count Swinton held us up for a 4th man to come charging in with a swinging arm to a held up prone player.
I'm absolutely fed up of us being bullied by opposition. His great to see us fighting fire with fire. To me it showed he cared it really meant something to score that try against them. More of the same please.
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