BULLS BY 8

That's the spirit.

Vodka?

That could be the catalyst for Celtic's season. I would expect you will be the only team they will beat this season

The betting odds have now started to come out, and I have laid some money down on Betfair though similar odds are availablewith totesport, who have the Bulls at 12/1 to win.

As some will know, I go to every game thinking we are going to win, but however optimistic or pessimistic you may be, you can't argue that there will only be 17 players from each team coming out of the tunnel. And in my experience, odds of 12/1 in a 2 horse race are rather generous for a team that just beat Leeds.

As is Stan James' offer of Even money with 24 points start.

Is it any good for a team that just lost to Wakefield and were humiliated at home by lowly Warrington?

They are good odds, what about the odds for a Leon hat trick/MOM etc? Because its set up for him to have a stormer clearly.

It would be criminal if he did

we should lock you up and throw away the key for jokes like that.

I think you missed the point. It is good odds to be 12/1 in a TWO HORSE RACE.

A two horse race is a phrase coined to mean any event, (not restricted to horses) where there are only two competitors, and on the day, a win by one or other cannot be ruled out. [size=75(To save your inevitable funny, no, whatever you say, a win by the Bulls cannot be ruled out, any more than a win against Leeds could have been ruled out. Or for that matter a win by Catalans when losing 26-nil with half an hour to go).[/size

The whole point is that the previous form of either competitor is of absolutely no significance whatso-bleedin-ever, as the times when the big outsider wins are not, by definition, predictable.

You only need to know that with reasonable regularity, the outsider does win.

I'm going 2moro night for some silly reason. Still not been to a game they have won yet.

FA, FWIW, your post clearly implied that it would be good to bet on the Bulls cause they JUST beat Leeds. ME was just point out that since JUST beating Leeds they got beat by Wakefield and hammered at home. Makes the bet less of a good deal.

I still don't feel that odds on a rugby game, match that of a two horse race.

Never mind.

P.s. I won't be d arguing this little point any further.

Well worth £10, then i can't loose

[url=http://www.skysports.com/opinion/story/0,25212,12531_5229075,00.htmlSteveo's view of Friday's Game[/url



I don't agree with much Steveo has to say, but on this one he's got a very big, uncomfortable point.

Do you think he can find some relief through surgery?

Well the proctologist doesn't seem to be able to help him with the blockage caused by his head

That's a new word for me! Brilliant...like it!

It is ok. FA (Feigning Alzheimers) has a habit of forgetting the bigger picture and instead picks out the one point that suits his argument.

I know the point that he is making, and, if it was on the back of a good win v Leeds and a run of decent form it would be very good odds indeed. However, it is not. It is two weeks after a win against an out of sorts Leeds side (who were thumped at home by Salford three days later) and it follows a defeat to Wakefield and a humiliation against a side who were, until last week, worse than we were.

12/1 would be good odds if the horses were of similar stature. However, not so much if the two horses included one impressive thoroughbred and one Blackpool donkey.

They'd be ACE odds if the horses were of similar stature - but that just wouldn't happen. . . . . which is, I suppose, the point of apply odds/probability to such outcomes.

Just taken a look on Betfair and odds are currently 16/1 for a Bulls win - Like FA I'm also an eternal optimist and it's payday so I can afford to lose a small wager - got to be worth a punt.

Bugger. . . .

Just taken the Toptesport 12/1 odds. . . .

The BULLS are 12/1









Alternate Hubcap of 32+ at 2/5

It's like looking at a car crash. You know it's going to be nasty but you just can't help yourself.

I await the "must win" Celtic game with even more interest. That has the potential to be just as bad!

Who knows though, we may yet have a miraculous near miss at Saints and emerge victorious.

Why, in response to an innocuous post about big odds in 2 horse races, have you attempted to get into a personal ing contest with me?

Rhetorical question, as I know the answer. As I am in a good mood, I'll ignore it, and simply say that you've completely missed the point, as I am not talking about the chances of a specific Bradford win in a specific game, but about the objective fact that 12/1 (or even better 16/1) is good odds in a two horse race.

In betting terms, tonight is nothing more than just the next in the series of such betting events. It is THAT sequence, going back a hundred years or more, and covering a plethora of different sporting contests, which is the relevant "bigger picture". Whether this particular horse does or does not win this particular race is not relevant.

If you want to look at specifics, then we could start with the Leeds game. Although the Bulls were not as rank outsiders in that game, the odds were very attractive as a betting proposition. NOT as a Bulls fan, or indeed a Leeds fan, but as a dispassionate investor of dosh. As a result of this, I made a decent amount of money, backing the quite substantial underdog in a two dog race.

As a result of that, I will remain substantially "in front" regardless of tonight. And outsiders, even rank outsiders will continue occasionally to bring home the bacon, from time to time.

And people might even be able to discuss the odd general point like this one, without you piling in with yet more personal abuse and "how unbelievably crap are the Bulls" (or is that Blackpool donkeys) remarks.

I am not missing the point at all. I know the point that you are making. It is just a crap point.



Heck, of course outsiders win sometimes. You only have to look at this years Grand National for evidence of that fact and I do not have a problem with that point whatsoever.

It is just that fact that someone could read this, and not know anything about rugby league (please avoid the obvious one lads.

) and see your point and think, Flippin' 'eck, This side just beat Leeds, they must be pretty ok, when actually the opposite is a lot closer to the truth.

Instead of finding odds of 12/1 attractive, I am more disappointed to see that that is the kind of odds that we are now being offered as it shows exactly how far we have fallen.

(and far from trying to start a "p!ssing contest", I am merely disagreeing with your point. One assumes that is still ok on a message forum? )