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| Quote ="tigertot"The difference being the Bulls benfited to the detriment of the other clubs. Or are you suggesting lower league clubs don't suffer as much? =#FFFFFF(I know you aren't really).'"
Not what I said at all. Again, read the bit below. I'm not saying this just because we've lost out and I'm not saying it's different if we do it. In fact, that's not the point I'm making at all, so if you're just going to ignore that, then I'll just ignore the comments.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Not what I said at all. Again, read the bit below. I'm not saying this just because we've lost out and I'm not saying it's different if we do it. In fact, that's not the point I'm making at all, so if you're just going to ignore that, then I'll just ignore the comments.'"
I'm ignoring you first.
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| Anyway. On the subject of Helliwell, if he ends up working with Brett Hodgson as a kind of mentor, it could actually make him even better. Taking away the money issues, it would surely benefit his long term game a lot to work under Hodgson for 2 years. I can't see him getting much first team action unless Hodgson, Riley and Hicks are injured, but it may make him a better player when he eventually does get a chance.
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| Weren't the Bulls the first SL club to offer payments to Amateur clubs that produced players that signed for us? It wasn't much money but it was more than anyone else was paying IIRC. Do we still do that?
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| One thing the RFL could do is at least increase the £100 per week fee that seems to be paid should a junior jump ship.
Although this won't stop the movement, the clubs who brought through these players may receive a more realistic fee for the potential any such player may show. It may also make the richer clubs think twice about approaching these juniors as the fee becomes a little more material in financial terms.
OK, you won't stop the movement but the Wires and Hudds of this world may not have offered the same level of salary quoted, given that they must also fork out a fee that may not value the player as it previously once did.
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| We'll be due around 15k from Warrington if this is a confirmed signing.
So along with the 26k they'll be paying him, it's a big risk IMO spending 39k on a relatively unproven player.
I just hope that this isn't another Ryan Atkins etc.
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| Only just read the T&A and yes he's gone.
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| Christ on a bike. Somebody throws a stupid figure onto the internet and it becomes fact. If anybody think Warrington pay academy players anything like that they are deluded.
Perhaps the lad wanted to move to a club that is moving forward with a good coaching set up? Sounds like sour grapes coming out of your club to me.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Sounds like sour grapes coming out of your club to me.'"
To you. It would.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Sounds like sour grapes coming out of your club to me.'"
Its not.
I can assure you of that, from previous discussions with club officials.
You lot and Hudds have serious previous for raiding our academy (or trying to) and paying far more (not just a bit) than we can, since you both have major funding sources that the Bulls lack.
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"Christ on a bike. Somebody throws a stupid figure onto the internet and it becomes fact. If anybody think Warrington pay academy players anything like that they are deluded.
Perhaps the lad wanted to move to a club that is moving forward with a good coaching set up? Sounds like sour grapes coming out of your club to me.'"
maybe both you and mick should read the thread properly. The 26k mick mentioned was what hudds offered wardle, who's a lot closer to 1st team than hellewell. still over the odds for a u20s player mind.
unfortunately for you the 12k compensation figure is accurate and is set by RFL so there's no getting out of paying that one
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Its not.
I can assure you of that, from previous discussions with club officials.
You lot and Hudds have serious previous for raiding our academy (or trying to) and paying far more (not just a bit) than we can, since you both have major funding sources that the Bulls lack.'"
And I can assure you that Warrington do not such fanciful sums as £26k to their Academy players.
If we have done all this "raiding" of your academy can you point me in the directiuon of which players have made the move before Halliwell?
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| Quote ="Paul Youane"And I can assure you that Warrington do not such fanciful sums as £26k to their Academy players.
If we have done all this "raiding" of your academy can you point me in the directiuon of which players have made the move before Halliwell?'"
The 26k was for Wardle who is now at Huddersfield.
The fact of the matter is that your club Like Huddersfield will have to pay for raiding our academy.
Steve Moran's pocket strikes again.
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| Quote ="Mick Gledhill"We'll be due around 15k from Warrington if this is a confirmed signing.
So along with the 26k they'll be paying him, it's a big risk IMO spending 39k on a relatively unproven player.
I just hope that this isn't another Ryan Atkins etc.'"
Another mediocre Bulls reject?
WTF has Ryan Atkins done?
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| its sad to see halliwell go but its not all bad as think bulls have kept the best of the bunch in adam o'brien and john bateman as from all accounts plenty of clubs were after bateman think wire offered alot more money then bulls but he loves the club so signed for bradford he has the makings of a star.plus think wire have had a big clear out in academy and its not been handled very well.
know from what james donaldson told me thats one thing he likes about the bulls they look after there young lads
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| John bateman is good, but he has been told hes not just good hes brilliant, alot of un needed praise has been thrust at him, at his previous club his ego got the btter of him and racked afew other people off, he seems to have matured alot now tho and is passing ball around alot more rather than just trying to do it all himself, hes only young and alot can happen before he breaks thru..
I was hoping elliott minichello would make it with us, but unfortunately he left our scholarship and went to leeds, and that lad does like the bulls, hes one player i enjoy reffing.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"Another mediocre Bulls reject?
WTF has Ryan Atkins done?'"
During his time at Warrington? Nothing apart from:-
- Playing in every SL game last season
- Scoring 2 tries in a final
- Winning said final
- Getting picked for England (albeit he played a bit crap)
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux" (albeit he played a bit crap)'"
I'd hate to see his a lot crap.
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| Quote ="Ian 77 Redux"During his time at Warrington? Nothing apart from:-
- Playing in every SL game last season
- Scoring 2 tries in a final
- Winning said final
- Getting picked for England (albeit he played a bit crap)'"
WOW
Uninjured player playing every game
Ricky Bibey also won a few challenge cups you know.
Atkins is mediocre.
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| The way folks go on about Atkins people would think he's an absolute superstar.
He's even more overrated than Michael Shenton.
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| Might get our first look at the lad he could make his debut tonight for us against Australian Institute of Sport, might not be playing fullback though as Burke is in the side.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"The way folks go on about Atkins people would think he's an absolute superstar.
He's even more overrated than Michael Shenton.'"
Don't forget he went with that bird Chanelle off of Big Brother. Not much of an achievement but...
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"Don't forget he went with that bird Chanelle off of Big Brother. Not much of an achievement but...'"
there are few men who've not been with that bird Chanelle off of Big Brother. Allegedly
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| Ben didn't end up playing against the AIS.
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