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| kearney isn't a bad player but if their was the possibility of getting a world class fullback/stand off onboard i wouldn't be overly fussed if he went.
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| Quote ="redeverready"kearney isn't a bad player but if their was the possibility of getting a world class fullback/stand off onboard i wouldn't be overly fussed if he went.'"
If there was a possibility of getting a world class stand-off I agree, but seen as we have a quota spot available, we should be aiming to retain Kearney and recruit; BK is our best player.
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| Personally I think Kearney will go back to NRL. we only got him because he was coming back from a bad injury. now he's proved his fitness think he'll go back. I'm more bothered about retaining l'estrange as think he complements diskin well and don't think o'brien is ready to step up yet. Provided we use the cap/quota space wisely it wouldnt be end of world if kearney didnt agree a new deal. We've a ready made replacement at FB in Royston with adequate backup in sykes,platt,halley and ah van. If we can use kearney's spot to bring in a quality half/ then would be ok with that.
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| Quote ="mat"Personally I think Kearney will go back to NRL. we only got him because he was coming back from a bad injury. now he's proved his fitness think he'll go back. I'm more bothered about retaining l'estrange as think he complements diskin well and don't think o'brien is ready to step up yet. Provided we use the cap/quota space wisely it wouldnt be end of world if kearney didnt agree a new deal. We've a ready made replacement at FB in Royston with adequate backup in sykes,platt,halley and ah van. If we can use kearney's spot to bring in a quality half/Centre then would be ok with that.'"
I totally disagree. People are calling out for quality players to be signed for the club and Kearney is exactly that. He has played out of his skin even with some of the tripe around him....imagine what he could do in a good team. I cannot see how getting rid of possibly our best player would be advantageous. Surely we want to be ADDING quality to the team not getting rid of quality and attempting to replace it with quality. We can't afford to get a load of quality players all at once so we need to slowly add to the quality that we have got and slowly phase out the crap
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| Quote ="Bullmaniac123"I totally disagree. People are calling out for quality players to be signed for the club and Kearney is exactly that. He has played out of his skin even with some of the tripe around him....imagine what he could do in a good team. I cannot see how getting rid of possibly our best player would be advantageous. Surely we want to be ADDING quality to the team not getting rid of quality and attempting to replace it with quality. We can't afford to get a load of quality players all at once so we need to slowly add to the quality that we have got and slowly phase out the crap'"
care to point out where I said I didnt WANT us to retain kearney?. All I said was I dont think we'll be able to.
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| Quote ="mat"it wouldnt be end of world if kearney didnt agree a new deal. We've a ready made replacement at FB in Royston with adequate backup in sykes,platt,halley and ah van. If we can use kearney's spot to bring in a quality half/Centre then would be ok with that.'"
This is what I was referring to. I didn't say you wanted him to go either. All I did was comment on what you had said.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Did they ever get round to giving you that medal for that?'"
It's still being fashioned from the ring binders of Guru's GCSE Marketing coursework
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| Quote ="Bullmaniac123"This is what I was referring to. I didn't say you wanted him to go either. All I did was comment on what you had said.'"
And I stand by those comments. Ideally we would retain kearney and add quality in other positions as well. But it wouldnt be the end of the world if he did leave as we have decent options in squad already.
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| With mediocre play making ability and less than average defence i cant see wot the fuss with bk is
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| Quote ="mat" We've a ready made replacement at FB in Royston'"
You can't be serious Royston hasn't shown anything at fullback yet.
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| Quote ="redeverready"You can't be serious Royston hasn't shown anything at fullback yet.'"
hasnt put a foot wrong there either though, which considering he's been swapping between FB and SO most games to accomodate kearney, is a pretty good going on its own. We'll see best of royston now he's able to concentrate on playing FB without the mucking about.
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| Quote ="mat"hasnt put a foot wrong there either though'"
I think this probably sums up where we are as a club at the minute (and this isn't intended as a dig at you mat).
Praising a player because he hasn't put a foot wrong rather than focusing on good play or offering something different / extra.
IMO, players should, as standard, not be putting a foot wrong.
I appreciate they're only human, but surely this is the bare minimum?
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| Royston is no Billy Slater, but he has been solid and one of our better players this year.
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"I think this probably sums up where we are as a club at the minute (and this isn't intended as a dig at you mat).
Praising a player because he hasn't put a foot wrong rather than focusing on good play or offering something different / extra.
IMO, players should, as standard, not be putting a foot wrong.
I appreciate they're only human, but surely this is the bare minimum?'"
Don't disagree with that. But at same time achieving that standard is an achievement on it's own considering he's stepped up a league and not being allowed to play a settled position. We'll start to see the more eye catching stuff now he can concentrate on one position IMO.
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| You cannot fault the player for effort, and I think he would be very good in a better team. Hopefully that will be us before the end of the season, although I am not too optimistic.
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| Quote ="mat"Don't disagree with that. But at same time achieving that standard is an achievement on it's own considering he's stepped up a league and not being allowed to play a settled position. We'll start to see the more eye catching stuff now he can concentrate on one position IMO.'"
Why will we. All he ever was at Halifax was a support player why will that change here seem to be grasping at straws.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Why will we. All he ever was at Halifax was a support player why will that change here seem to be grasping at straws.'"
No RER you're desperately hoping Royston will fail at SL level. You took against him from start because he came from a lower league and displaced one of your precious u20's. Most less biased people will give credit to Royston but your desperate to prove a point.
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| Quote ="mat"No RER you're desperately hoping Royston will fail at SL level. You took against him from start because he came from a lower league and displaced one of your precious u20's. Most less biased people will give credit to Royston but your desperate to prove a point.'"
No since he arrived in superleague he's been nothing more than steady. Their has been nothing to suggest he will be anything else it's you who has made him out to be some superman.
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| Royston is joint top scorer and if it wasn't for him Warrington would have got 70, and Catalan would have beat us.
I aknowledge the fact that he isn't special, he's not world class but he has been one of our best this year
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| Quote ="redeverready"No since he arrived in superleague he's been nothing more than steady. Their has been nothing to suggest he will be anything else it's you who has made him out to be some superman.'"
Steady is a big improvement on a lot of our players. I've never made him ou to be a superman so stop putting words in my mouth. He's stepped up and held a spot down which isn't bad going in my book. In a strong team he would be a utility back but we aren't a strong team at the moment.
At end of the day it comes down to personal opinions and I think myself and RER will just have to agree to disagree about shad.
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| Brett is better than Shad, I think there is little debate there.
Shad does have some characteristics about his game that are better than Brett's though (such as his tackling and support play) which mean he has been a useful addition to our squad.
If we were to lose Brett (which at the minute I think could happen unless we start to improve) it won't be the end of the world providing we have somebody in mind to fill the quota spot to strengthen elsewhere.
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| Quote ="mat"Steady is a big improvement on a lot of our players. I've never made him ou to be a superman so stop putting words in my mouth. He's stepped up and held a spot down which isn't bad going in my book. In a strong team he would be a utility back but we aren't a strong team at the moment.
At end of the day it comes down to personal opinions and I think myself and RER will just have to agree to disagree about shad.'"
I think he's done OK and I have to agree that simply being 'steady' in a team that is not achieving it's potential is the best we can expect from any of the players.
I thought he was good against Catalans and seemed to be playing in a dual role in earlier games switching between SO and FB.
You also have to take into account that it's going to take time to adapt from playing Championship and SL rugby. Take that into account and compare to how Briggs has settled in... OK, it's not an exact comparison as Briggs has had an injury and has less experience, but I think Royston has made the transition better.
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| Quote ="bewaresheep"I think he's done OK and I have to agree that simply being 'steady' in a team that is not achieving it's potential is the best we can expect from any of the players.
I thought he was good against Catalans and seemed to be playing in a dual role in earlier games switching between SO and FB.
You also have to take into account that it's going to take time to adapt from playing Championship and SL rugby. Take that into account and compare to how Briggs has settled in... OK, it's not an exact comparison as Briggs has had an injury and has less experience, but I think Royston has made the transition better.'"
That's very fair comment. Expecting him to move up a division, join a side with the level of cohesion that the Bulls are currently showing, as well as swapping position during the games [iand[/i be a top influential player to boot is asking far too much, imo. He's doing OK.
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| with a settled specialist SO we should see the Brett Kearney that scored a hat trick against SGI for Cronulla as full back. even the club admit in his profile that is his best position attacking wise. Full credit to him for playing where he is asked, rather than where he is best, and yes his missed tackles % is not good, but that might also improve if his position is FB full time. So imo still far too early to judge any one, after the next three must win SL games yes.
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| Seems like that many just arn't that bothered if BK leaves. Can't blame them really.
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