Agreed! Although I do believe we would have benefited more being in League 1 (and let's be honest we should be in League 1 after liquidation), I can't help but wonder how the Championship clubs would have reacted had the RFL relegated us. Missing out on that revenue would be a blow especially considering that Toulouse won't bring any this season.

I think our average this season will be around 3,500-4,000 with a top gate of 6,000ish against Hull KR. Which is still a fantastic effort considering we are a relegation fighting Championship team. The potential for decent crowds is here in Bradford and we have proved it before. Let's just hope that we stay financially stable and build on the potential we have and not have any more knock backs!

Well, we'll never know, as Cha-Low don't seem to be bothered, instead letting people sit wherever they want, and not having marked any seat in the entire stand as "reserved".

They took the money but in I suspect many hundreds of instances on Sunday didn't bother to take any steps at all to provide the paid for seat, leaving it entirely up to paying customers to sort it out. Not impressed.

Wow.....well if this is the biggest of the clubs problems then it looks like we are on the right track!

Honest? I actually don't know anyone who agreed with the decision to pitch us into the Championship. No "honesty" needed - a mad decision, elevated to boss-barking level with a gold star by the added bonus of minus 12.


First, THE biggest problem, by far, is trying to start a high-level professional sports club (not just a team) within a fortnight. Lunacy. Having said that, a wedge of initial money would have helped enormously, but instead our big knockback seems to be the awarding of the gig to candidates with no money.

My fear is, there IS no "financial stability". We're probably losing money already, and if it wasn't for the alleged rent etc deals with RFL maybe we would be closer to the crapper again than I care to even think about. Ticket sales will in no way be enough to make us "financially stable", on the contrary, it's plain there is a huge shortfall there (especially if you take into account the free replacements that previous payers have got). And if you want my opinion I don't see there is any way to achieve "financial stability" or if there is - where's the money gonna come from?

Why are Cha-Low saying nothing, and why have we no clue as to even what their basic plan is even for this season? Don't you find it weird? I can't recall any team anywhere in any sport where the owners say pretty much nothing. People keep asking what Cha-Low are in it for, and why them. At the moment it is a mystery to me, but I can't see it ending well, absent a very large input of money from somewhere.

Yes, fscking off season ticket holders including your longest-standing and biggest paying members at the very first home game is great, isn't it?

Don't get me wrong but I think the ball is now in ChaLo's court. People who have attended either Bulls game this year will have seen more spirit and fight in the team than in the previous two years. And people will be willing to support this as long as the owners now back them. We all know what the team needs is some more oomph up front and this is down to the owners. I am not saying bring in world class front rowers but at least show the fans some initiative. We could possibly have won on Sunday but were eventually worn down by the relentless trundle down the middle. The lads are trying but we need some size. Given that then the supporters will continue with the 'backs to the wall, two fingers up to the rest attitude' and support the team. but if no signings are forthcoming then it will be ChaLo that will have killed the golden goose because all they need to do to keep the supporters is show willing.

I'm going to argue the toss over the placement of us in the Championship again for the millionth time. All I was saying is we should be in League 1. Regardless of who decided otherwise (ahem RFL).

Yes, having someone with a ton of money to invest initially would have been fantastic and would have provided us with a team worthy of top 4 (minus the deduction of course). But unless you can prove Chalmers and Lowe don't have a backer or money of some sort then please stop making assumptions. I firmly believe there are slightly bigger things at play and I am seeing how it plays out.

Tell me how we are losing money? The debt from the previous management was well documented with Green being the main creditor (that was from a loan he gave the club) so that has gone. Since then our rent has been reduced massively by the RFL, a 40-50 playing squad (full of first teamers and experience) have been cut to pretty much a 10 first team roster with academy lads. How much of the wage bill do you think has been cut? My bet is is probably half. So roughly £400,000-500,000 playing budget? Compared the the previous full cap. Memberships are similar as last season judging by the crowd of the Rochdale game. As I stated before last seasons average was 4,117.

As a new company ALL sponsorships will have been paid again. Regardless of previous deals. Hence the new shirt sponsor. The only thing financially we have lost on in terms of income is shirt sales. No doubt they will be on the up, plus they will have made money on the fire sale these past 2-3 weeks.

No I don't think it is weird at all that they aren't disclosing information. Davy doesn't at Hudds and neither does Carter at Wakey. Why should they? It's their business not yours? As I say I believe there is a bigger plan than Chalmers/Lowe and after the seasons we have had it's time to cut back and steady the ship. That is what we have done. We haven't signed up every Tom, Dick and Harry on wages we can't afford as that what got us into this mess. For me the key signing is Toovey. That was and is a statement of intent. Otherwise they would have stuck with Rohan.

Agreed, we will be losing money already. Most estimates for an academy is £100k-£150k per annum. Which is why a couple of SL clubs don't do it.
But an academy is currently a medium/long term investment for us, as we are having to restart it again.
But I feel it is a short term imperative for the RFL that our academy continues, as it will have a -ve impact on Sport England funding for the RFL if our academy shuts.

All these decisions, supposedly for our survival, look very different if you look at them from The RFL point of view, and how they benefit from them. We are just an afterthought now.

I still have a little hope in me. Because no sports fan of any club in any sport at the beginning of a season, should have no hope.
But I have no optimism. At all.

They haven't vexed off anyone. A decision was made 30-45 mins before kickoff that the terracing was dangerous. They made the call to put everyone in the stand as a one off and even tweeted that those paying on the gate would be paying £15 instead of the normal £10 to compensate for this.

It won't be a regular thing. Never was going to be so don't get your knickers in a twist. And it's been ages since you got names on a seat. So why even bother bringing it up? There is no reason too now that we don't pack out the stand.

As I have said before somewhere. People like to stand for the games. And you'll find that it will go back to normal next home game. If the club decide that they will ONLY open the stand for home games then fair enough those who have paid more, go complain. But you are talking about a hypothetical situation which won't happen. As this would cause more grief for the club than needs be.

Ist game yes FA - but difficult weather. Club clearly didnt want to put our first match off so it was sensible to put all into the Stand if terraces were likely to be dangerous. This was done at last minute.
Our family have had Stand seats for several years and only one season have they been marked as reserved. Some of us found our seats already occupied on Sunday but sat in alternative seats. It was a one off - we thought Club had shown initiative actually. It probably encouraged more people to attend thus extra revenue.We (family) got value seats we had paid for within a few feet of our normal ones.

Tell me how they have vexed season ticket holders? I assume you mean by biggest paying, the ones who pay for the Coral Stand? If you are referring to the regular seating stand again how have they vexed you?

It was a one off thing. A decision made 30-45 mins before kick off when we had just confirmed the game would be on after an inspection. Do you have a personalised seat that comes with your season ticket? Or do you just sit in the same spot in every game because that is what you have always done?

If the club decides that from now on they will only open the stand then fair enough complain. But your talking about a hypothetical situation that won't happen. Too many people enjoy standing, myself included (although my Grandad uses the stand with his friend). The club would also lose too much income on the bars and food/rent from these places located at the top of the terracing.

To be honest it sounds like your complaining over nothing.

You put it slightly better than me I think haha.

Worth to mention that when announcing that all standing people would be moved to the stand the club actually tweeted that payment on the gate would be £15 rather than the usual £10 to compensate for the switch to the stand.

Sorry for the two similar posts! Lost internet connection whilst it was sending and when I refreshed it didn't come up as sent haha!

They haven't? So I'm not "anyone"?



Of course I have a seat, they all have a number and a row, and I paid £249 for it, if you exclude the £50 car parking. I think being able to sit in it is "something", but in the post-truth world of alternative facts it is presumably also nothing.


No, all I did was make the point that I have a £249 seat that I couldn't sit in. I didn't say it was on a par with the fscking Somme, but it's not "nothing".

All they need to do is fix "RESERVED" signs to season pass seats and tell people to "sit in any unreserved seat". I hope they now will.

Maybe they vexed off you then. I'm not into alternative facts or lies. But your banging on like this happens every game. It's happened once. Did you explain the situation to the person sat in your seat? Who probably has never sat in the stand before? Was it resolved? Did you select that seat personally or did the club just assign you a random seat in the section (this is just for personal curiosity btw as my grandad may look into getting one)?

Unfortunatley the club has a lot bigger issues than to go around sticking reserved signs on seats. As mentioned before this hasn't happened for years so why is it all of a sudden a huge problem? And as I say if this is the pinnacle of the problems then the Bulls are in a good place!

Ha, Schrodinger's season pass!

As I already said, the centre stand was packed, the game had already kicked off, and so I not being a [itotal[/i twwat decided not to push my way along the row and make a scene. Hardly fair on the Rochdale lads sat there who had no idea the seats were taken and in fairness most of those aren't, as few pay top dollar in that area.


Yes, and I've sat in it since Adam were a lad. They have a seating chart on screen and you can pick whichever are not taken, but the trick is to inspect the seats first yourself, so that you know in advance what the view is going to be like and which bits the pillars will obstruct.


Because I did actually say that that was the biggest issue the club had, didn't I, and haven't posted a word about the bigger picture, have I?

They have vexed off a few people actually. I know a few who sit in the stand who weren't happy that they essentially paid more for that game than others who got the same (or better) seats. Think about those non-season ticket holders too that pre-bought a ticket for the stand at £20 and then they allowed people to pay £15 on the gate for the same thing. Is it fair on them?

Just FYI, the £15 is the standard TERRACING price, not £10. They didn't pay any extra to "compensate for this", they paid exactly the same as they would if they'd have been on the terracing. Where your magical £10 price comes from, I'm not sure.

Bottom line, people who pre-bought tickets for the stand paid more than those who paid on the day, but got the same seat. It's not hard to understand why they may be vexed by that. Personally, I'm not that fussed over one game. If it becomes more than one game, I'll be fussed. But I can totally understand why others are.




Yes, you do have an allocated seat. It has your block, row & seat number on your season ticket.


As FA has correctly said, those that have been vexed by this (and yes, it's arguable how many that is) are the ones that have bought season tickets despite all the hassle, and have paid more than the minimum £150 for that ticket. They're not really the fans you want to be vexing in order to help out those who haven't got a season ticket and are paying a one-off £15 on the gate, then may not come again.


One thing you may want to do is get your facts right before posting. Facts like suggesting people don't have specific seats allocated and pay £10 to go on the terracing.

FYI I pay £10 as a concession. So there is that option so hence £15 for me then to move into the stand. I didn't want or choose to sit in the stand, is it fair on me and many others to charge more to sit when we normally stand on the terrace? I think not? Yet I didn't complain because I understood it was a one off.

It's hard to understand because it's been blown out of proportion for one game. As I stated earlier. If the club now decide this will happen again, then by all means go complain. But for the sake of a one off, due to factor out of the clubs control is a bit pedantic.

And I didn't suggest that people didn't get their own seat numbers etc. I asked FA for clarification because I wasn't 100% so instead of assuming, I asked. Maybe you should check that fact too before posting?

At the end of the day the only reason I replied on this matter was because people were acting and going on like this is a regular thing when it clearly is not. It was a one off. It's in the past. Move on.

No, it wasn't fair on you if that's the case. But you had a choice before you paid it, correct? Those who had already paid more for the stand than those who paid less, had no choice in the matter. They'd already paid it.




Nobody has said it's a regular thing. In fact I've repeatedly said it's a one off and doesn't bother me so much unless it becomes a regular thing. But I can totally understand why other people are annoyed by it. They have essentially been ripped off. Bottom line. In fact they've been ripped off more than those who went to Fev and paid an extra £2 to sit in a stand others had been paying less for all season. But there were a hell of a lot of people kicking off about that too.

It wasn't but at the end of the day like I said (which you and I seem to agree on) it was a one off. If the club turned around to me and said right Bulls Boy 2011. You're paying £15 from now on. Then I would be vexed. But it won't happen. Just like the stand issue. It's never been a problem before, not enough for people to come on here and complain. So why now?

Yes I may have had a choice when I actually got to the stadium but not in terms of what I normally pay. But I feel like we are nit picking here. It wasn't fair on either. Yet either way the club benefited.

I know you have said it was a one off. That's what I am getting at. People moaning and the way they are going on makes it seem like it happens all the time!! Instead of just accepting the fact it was a one off. Otherwise go and complain to the club. The Fev debacle was slightly different. They purposefully targeted our fans to pay more money (technically that could be classed as discrimination haha) whereas the Bulls situation on Sunday was more of a "Can't help but do this due to factors out of our control so we will do our best". Baring in mind all that was done in the space of 30-45 mins too.

I for one say well done to the club for making the decision which was made solely for the purpose to keep the fans safe.

Anyway I think we maybe in danger of going off topic! For the record I still think 4,051 was a phenomenal achievement considering everything we have been through, then throw in the weather!

Totally fake news. There were less than 1000 in the ground, and 12,000 of them were from Rochdale

Actually you should be vexed as you were overcharged.



There were no increases to pop side entry fees. Everyone just got a free upgrade to the stand. Father in law was with us , who's a concession, and only paid normal £10. Sounds like they didn't realise you were a concession and charged you normal adult price.

Meh it is what it is

More money for the club! Can't mistake me for a normal adult! I look 12 when I've shaved