It's not psychological. the two main factors were a) continually giving away possession - you will never have a chance if you never have the ball - and (b) being completely and totally physically dominated from 1 - 17. Like I said, dads v lads.

Anyway, ChaLowe or whoever is reporting to them would plainly realise that this is suicide, if they were listening, and so we are wasting our breath and our keyboards.

Oh, and *IF* it turned out we've some kind of "GetOutOfJailFree" card promised (which I don't believe for even second) that may be handy for the owners, but if that's it, then it is also a big finger up all the mug supporters, who thought the games actually mattered, and it wasn't just a redundant poitless season of drubbings. And that the "owners" would tell us what they were doing, by which I don't mean anecdotes about what was for lunch in the Wellington fscking Waldorf.

How Lowe thought it appropriate to write about the random waffle that he did, on the back of some serious canings, tells me all I need to know.

In the yorkshire junior leagues (at u12 anyway), the score is capped at 50points, so not to dishearten the kids too much if they come up against a complete mismatch. Perhaps we could ask the RFL for the same rule?

That would be good. We could all just leave at half time then.

Will a televised 70-80 point thrashing get a comment out of Chalmers?

No, but I'm sure we'll find out what Lowe had for his tea.

Looks like Mick is aligning with your previous posts on twitter...You crystal ball is clearly better than his Netto version

Chalmers followed Toovey up the steps before the game his gaze firmly downwards. Looked like a man with a heavy weight on his shoulders...

We now need 8 points to stay up as Swinton are on 6 and the bottom 2 go down if i am correct NFC of staying up

The only way we're staying up is for red's conspiracy theory to be true.

Well what we need is 10 points MORE than Swinton get (since our points difference is getting worse all the time and is already worse than Swinton)

.. which means if Swinton win 3 more games, we need to win 8 games; if they win 5, then we need to win 10, and so and so forth...

All academic as we the way are playing now we won't win another match all season

Bulls could stop up but probably requires you to beat Dews (A), Rochdale (A), Oldham (H), Batley (A), Swinton (H) and then winning 5 out of you 7 super 8s games to leave the Bulls on 18pts, 16 league points might be enough because of you your better points difference.

A tall order I know.

Tall order?

Impossible the way we're playing.

I can't see Labour picking up many votes from this either:

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I wonder if this headline is about about our previous near collapses or our forthcoming one?

There could be a issue for the RFL and the club in respect to the responsibilities around duty of care to the younger players. As has been discussed, there is the possibility that some of the young players confidence, future health and potential could be seriously affected by the the RFL and clubs mindless aspirations.

Agreed I'm not sure there's much political capital to be made out of our temporary stay of execution.

Some one in high authority needs to be speaking to the clubs supporters asap, let them know what's happing , because if you don't have supporters then unless I'm stupid then you won't have a club, we are the people who work very hard to come and blow some steam off at these games, and yet all your doing is sitting quiet and taking are hard earned, this is not good value for the monies we are paying, so it's simple, SORT IT OR LOSE IT

On our form up to a month ago, it would not have been that tall an order at all though.

But at the same time, after what in a short space of time our owners have done (or should I say not done) we are now easy meat even for the worst clubs. So speculation like the above is out of date and irrelevant as our owners have driven us into the ground and no longer can compete with even the next weakest club.

There's so many rumours going around from various sources it's difficult to believe anything. This is why I asked the RFL directly on Thursday after Leigh Beattie admitted in the press conference "he didn't know what was happening with the bottom two clubs."

Here's the full reply from the RFL:

Hi Mick,

In reply to your email below, Operational Rule A1:11 (j) states: At the end of the Championship Shield league the bottom 2 Clubs shall be automatically relegated to League 1 for the following Season. For the avoidance of doubt the Clubs finishing in 1st to 6th shall start the following Season in the Championship

This rule still applies.

sounds like you got fobbed off there Mick. What if that rule changes?

So unless the other 41 member clubs vote for drastic change at the restructure and shaping the future meeting next month, the bottom two sides of the Championship (regardless of who) will be relegated.

There's 16 games left to play - 32 points. The average points over the last two seasons to see the third place side survive is 17.5points. So 18 points to survive - 10 wins/20 points.

Six game safety net.

I can't honestly call it.

That could still happen but you would need a majority out of those 41 clubs to vote through any change for this season.

Money talks and Bradford at home is, currently, a nice little earner for most clubs, especially given the Toulouse, Toronto, London trinity of no away support that's looking likely next year. Three home games with Naff all income from away support?

Wonder how many will be doing their sums right now, before it's too late. The RFL just stumble from one bout of stupidity to another.

10 wins out of 16? At the moment no bloody chance. Without Pryce at least semi fit and without Moore we're seriously lacking experience. We had 6 props in the 17 on Sunday and it didn't make a difference. We missed direction from senior players and were shot out wide due to us being forced to play Ryan and Halafihi out of position. The happy faces the players had prior to Easter have gone. We can't defend our line and look disjointed in attack, confidence is shot.

Meanwhile Chalmers says nothing. The chairman offers no solutions. Graham Lowe writes about anything but the Bulls FFS.

I think it's easy to call from here.

Possible conspiracy theories I've heard:

1. Leave us in Championship no P&R this year. (of these unlikely scenarios this is least unlikely happening).
2. Promote us to a new 16 team SL with same fixtures plan as NRL (Adding us, HKR, Toronto and Toulouse).
3. Leave us where we are but still have a 16 team SL with London, HKR, Toronto and Toulouse).
4. Merge us with Salford and call us the Manchester Bradford Red Bulls.

However much as I'd like to think otherwise I think we're down and playing in Championship 1 next year with a part time team.

I've had a couple of days to think about things since the god awful crap I witnessed on Sunday, and the more I think about it, the more I come down to this particular bit of info that Bullseye has just said...



I am f***ing pig sick of them staying silent and absolutely nothing being said about the state of affairs. I gave them a few months, I had patience, I appreciated other things were taking precedence. My patience has now worn thin. If Lowe has time to tell us about his bloody tea in Auckland, he has time to tell us where we stand.

I'm not blaming the players, even though they look like they can't be bothered at times. I'm not blaming the coaches who are no doubt doing what they can with limited resources. I'm sure they're feeling as frustrated and annoyed at the total lack of direction and communication as the fans are.

Until I see one of these owners, or the RFL, or whoever the chuff is in charge of us come out and say what the bloody hell is going on, I'm out. This isn't me being upset at losing, this isn't me being upset about maybe being relegated. It's the fact I am pig sick of these "owners" taking the fans for granted and not even being willing to just come out and explain why jack sheet is happening. JUST TELL US. We're not asking for miracles, we're not asking you to sign Johnathan Thurston, we just want some idea of what is going on. And until you stop taking us for granted, I am no longer a customer. I shall watch from the TV and listen from the radio, however I shall not spend another pound at that club until we get some degree of answers, even if those answers are just an honest "We haven't got a pot to urinate in and we're right up sheet creek with no paddle".

Rant over.

I could go along with option 4 provided they changed that name to the Manchester Bradford [iRed, Amber and Black[/i Bulls, though I'd confess to being a teensy bit peeved if they then moved us to a development area in Estonia, or similar.

Unless they put free buses on for home games...