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| Quote ="Pyrah123"Problem is tho our wings now look considerably weaker when you move Hitchcox there'"
They do if you move him.
There was nothing to choose between Pickersgill and McNally last season. A fit McNally would've been an upgrade but there were no guarantees we were getting that.
I think Pickersgill has potential, as does Alix Stephenson who may get the odd game too.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"They do if you move him.
There was nothing to choose between Pickersgill and McNally last season. A fit McNally would've been an upgrade but there were no guarantees we were getting that.
I think Pickersgill has potential, as does Alix Stephenson who may get the odd game too.'"
See for me that’s throwing 2 kids in with very little experience between them... every time I see pickers opposition run over the top of him we need hardened experience for our first season especially imo
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"See for me that’s throwing 2 kids in with very little experience between them... every time I see pickers opposition run over the top of him we need hardened experience for our first season especially imo'"
I've heard Richie Mathers is available
I do agree with Pyrah though. In all seriousness, if McNally does go back to Leigh (and fair play if his misses is ill). I hope we do everything we can to get Moss back here. His link up play with Chisholm was brilliant and would give us so much more strike power in the back line. Can defuse kicks and create chances from nothing too. Pickersgill still needs a bit of experience in front of him. Don't forget the Championship is a different kettle of fish than League 1.
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| How does Pickersgill get experience if you don't give him a chance? He's got a lot to learn but I think he's earned his chance before we start bringing anyone else in.
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"See for me that’s throwing 2 kids in with very little experience between them... every time I see pickers opposition run over the top of him we need hardened experience for our first season especially imo'"
Only way their going to get that experience is by being played in first team. We've always got option to drop hitchcox back to FB for games against tougher opposition where experience is needed. And that's assuming we don't bring someone else in as I think McNally was one of higher earners so we now presumably have some funds available for a replacement. Would have thought delay announcing is whilst we try to line someone up.
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| I'd love Moss back. However I'd be surprised if it happened. As Bullseye said, how does Pickersgill get experience without playing, and this is the perfect season for him to gain that.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I'd love Moss back. However I'd be surprised if it happened. As Bullseye said, how does Pickersgill get experience without playing, and this is the perfect season for him to gain that.'"
Throwing him in the deepend no.... though I agree with rotation he deserves a fedeserves a few chances but making him first choice would be a massive mistake
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"Throwing him in the deep end no.... though I agree with rotation he deserves a few chances but making him first choice would be a massive mistake'"
We obviously rate him differently. While he's got deficiencies in his game I don't think he's a massive weakness in the side and for me the fullback spot is his to lose. If he has a run of bad games then Hitchcox comes in there and we bring in Evans, DFG or Grant on the wing.
IMO Pickersgill's strengths are his passing and coming into the line. His weaknesses are his one on one defence and his speed. As he learns to read the game and gain experience the speed deficiency will be less of a problem. The one on one defence can improve with training too. If he doesn't improve only then bring someone else in.
We have an academy to nurture the future of the team. Not all players will come in and make an immediate impact so it's about bringing them on. Pickersgill won most improved player last year so deserves his chance.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"We obviously rate him differently. While he's got deficiencies in his game I don't think he's a massive weakness in the side and for me the fullback spot is his to lose. If he has a run of bad games then Hitchcox comes in there and we bring in Evans, DFG or Grant on the wing.
IMO Pickersgill's strengths are his passing and coming into the line. His weaknesses are his one on one defence and his speed. As he learns to read the game and gain experience the speed deficiency will be less of a problem. The one on one defence can improve with training too. If he doesn't improve only then bring someone else in.
We have an academy to nurture the future of the team. Not all players will come in and make an immediate impact so it's about bringing them on. Pickersgill won most improved player last year so deserves his chance.'"
Obviously he does ave strengths but fb isn’t his his natural position my issue is if he struggled one on one defensively in league 1 then he will be a disaster against the big hitters in this league
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| Quote ="Bullseye"How does Pickersgill get experience if you don't give him a chance? He's got a lot to learn but I think he's earned his chance before we start bringing anyone else in.'"
I meant he needs an experienced fullback in front of him still to learn off. I like Pickersgill. Year below me in school and know him, but the only issue I have is that in this league I can see us conceding more line breaks than last season and I don't think he has the pace to chase them down or the positional sense to make the attacker think. Brett Kearney didn't have a lot of pace but he could put himself in a position to make a tackle one on one or at least put himself in a good position to give him a chance. I think that's what Pickersgill needs to do and if that means another year under someone good then so be it as it will benefit him in the long run. I still think he'll get quite a bit of gametime though. And any experience at this level is a good think.
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"Obviously he does ave strengths but fb isn’t his his natural position my issue is if he struggled one on one defensively in league 1 then he will be a disaster against the big hitters in this league'"
How is it throwing him in the deep end when he played the majority of last season?
Also you keep banging on about his defence but a fullback shouldn't even be needing to make 1 on 1 tackles. If he does then something has already gone wrong with our defensive setup.
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| I might be tempted to have a gamble and go for jack walker or ashall bot, well it is Xmas after all lol
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| Quote ="Nothus"How is it throwing him in the deep end when he played the majority of last season?
Also you keep banging on about his defence but a fullback shouldn't even be needing to make 1 on 1 tackles. If he does then something has already gone wrong with our defensive setup.'"
Sorry buddy your right! Playing west wales and Hemel is totally the same as Toulouse Toronto Widnes and Halifax you can’t throw anyone in at any level and think they will be great just cos they had a decent year in a crap league doesn’t mean they will have a great year in a better one or don’t you get that? McNally was the fullback that got us promoted
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| Quote ="Pyrah123" McNally was the fullback that got us promoted'"
What a crock of sh*t. Couldn't disagree more and completely disrespectful to Pickersgill.
And yes the opposition is different but the processes are the same. He's had plenty of first team experience playing at fullback, organising the defensive line and growing as a player.
Let's also not forget that he did all of that last season while he was part time. Pickersgill is now a full time player and will only benefit from the change.
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| Don't agree with this Pickersrgill bashing. What a season he had last year. Even if McNally was fit/undistracted/whatever, BP is banging on the door. The only things that suffers with losing McNally is competition/cover.
I'd hope that we'd be able to bring somebody in at short notice but if worse comes to worse and we can't, I don't think it devastates us like a Crossley/Webster would.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs"Don't agree with this Pickersrgill bashing. What a season he had last year. Even if McNally was fit/undistracted/whatever, BP is banging on the door. The only things that suffers with losing McNally is competition/cover.
I'd hope that we'd be able to bring somebody in at short notice but if worse comes to worse and we can't, I don't think it devastates us like a Crossley/Webster would.'"
Not bashing him. Thought he had a really good season and was one of the surprises to come out of the pre-season games. I just think he needs another year under someone good to help develop more. I'd have more confidence in a McNally/Moss as the starter with Pickersgill coming in. Either way I still believe we need another FB as we can't go into the season with just Pickersgill and Stephenson. One injury and we are done in that department.
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| I agree regarding Pickersgill getting first opportunity for FB. I wouldn’t rush out to spend the funds freed up unless they would genuinely improve the squad. I’d expect Kear to leave a little bit left in the pot anyway as players always become available unexpectedly part way through the season.
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| The rumours of McNally leaving have been around for sometime however, which makes you wonder if we are looking at another signing to announce around the same time as a departure.
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| Quote ="Bulls Boy 2011"we can't go into the season with just Pickersgill and Stephenson. One injury and we are done in that department.'"
Hardly, we can simply move Hitchcox or Ryan into the Full Back slot, and bring in Evans, Grant, Foggin-Johnson etc on the wing.
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| Quote ="Pyrah123"Problem is tho our wings now look considerably weaker when you move Hitchcox there'"
Hitchcox at fullback, Evans and Ryan on the wings, Gibson & Webster in the centres. Plenty of experience and quality.
I couldn't comment on Pickersgill as I've only seen him play once or twice, but even without him that's still a strong backline and with backup of Oakes, Grant & DFJ.
I tend to agree that McNally would be a loss if he could get back to form, but if this illness is as bad as is being suggested, the club should do the right thing and release him to be closer to his family (assuming that's what he wants). And not be demanding transfer fees either as someone suggested. Sometimes doing the right thing by someone is more important than other factors.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The rumours of McNally leaving have been around for sometime however, which makes you wonder if we are looking at another signing to announce around the same time as a departure.'"
The length of time the rumours have been around are what makes me doubt them. Although I don't have any "in the know" friends, I question the logic of handing out the number 1 shirt to player that was highly likely to be leaving soon. You'd just hang on with announcing the numbers until it was sorted out one way or the other.
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| I think he's more than capable of excelling a n this league. With or without a mentor. Defo competition would help however.
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| I think everyone will be pleasantly surprised when you see who is coming in to replace McNally
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| Quote ="Molsk111"Not sure if Evans has had a game or two at full back'"
If you can just get Evan's a game or two anywhere on the trot then you will be doing considerably well.
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