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| Quote ="Molsk111"He is here to do a job for the bulls, anyone who is judging this guy on anything other than rugby league, are sad, because it’s about the bulls not about his past, everyone has a history, but surely we should be looking forward to the future of the bulls'"
A bit of a simplistic view I think. Nobody wants him to fail.
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| Quote ="Duckman"Fa is right in that we should be able to attract one of the latest and brightest potential coaching candidates (people have mentioned Lee greenwood in this regard previously) so if it is going to be JS, and we do appoint an assistant, I'd hope we appoint a young ambitious coach as number 2, so we might get the best of both worlds. Someone experienced and steady to get us toughened up and out of league 1 and nuture our own potential replacement for the future at the same time?'"
I believe the assistant has already been agreed at the same time as appointing Jon Sharp
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| If this is such a done deal, why would the club today announce Leigh Beattie as interim head coach? Surely we would just announce Toovey leaving in one release, then announce JS arriving in another release? No need to announce an interim...
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Jimmy was adored when appointed, yet didn't get the results when it mattered. Same with Rohan. So if Sharp can get results then who cares.
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The comparison with Jimmy is an interesting one, to say he was adored is a bit of revisionist history. Yep, the people who shouted loudest would have you believe it was a great appointment, however there were enough people on here - myself included - that pointed out his past record as a head coach wasn't exactly good despite us liking him as a player - the reverse of Sharp in a way.
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| Quote ="ruraljuror"As for all the other stuff - they are just rumours. He left the RFL with their best wishes, so however he is alleged to have behaved, it clearly wasn't raised as part of any grievance procedure. And yes, I'm conscious that we aren't talking about the most professional organisation in the world - but nevertheless it seems unfair to cast aspersions without proof..'"
To put it delicately, just because the RFL have not highlighted that any grievance procedures were brought against him, doesn't mean there weren't, they just werent made public. There is basically no information at all about why he left,which is how rumours start to be fair.
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| really are turning into the feeder club with our ex coach now too
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| Quote ="Duckman"Fa is right in that we should be able to attract one of the latest and brightest potential coaching candidates (people have mentioned Lee greenwood in this regard previously) so if it is going to be JS, and we do appoint an assistant, I'd hope we appoint a young ambitious coach as number 2, so we might get the best of both worlds. Someone experienced and steady to get us toughened up and out of league 1 and nuture our own potential replacement for the future at the same time?'"
You'd think. And now the added attraction to being assistant at the Bulls, is being No.2 to a coach of proven SL quality and experience. It's so tempting, I might even apply
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| Sharp is the type of coach you needed last season! He'll get you playing solid, no nonsense rugby which, unless you're a Toronto, is what is needed to get out of C1. The reason given for him leaving Fev was that the Chairman was bored watching the style of rugby he coached. Whether replacing him with Duffy (whose team certainly threw the ball about when I saw them but didn't exactly break many pots) will prove to be a good decision remains to be seen - the same Chairman 'sacked' Powell because he wasn't good enough not too long ago......
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| Quote ="ruraljuror"Not quite true. Respectable finishes in SL during his time there. He also took them to a CC semi-final and a final - albeit with a lot of financial backing from Ken Davy. I can't comment on his brand of rugby - not familiar enough with the sides that he's coached.
As for all the other stuff - they are just rumours. He left the RFL with their best wishes, so however he is alleged to have behaved, it clearly wasn't raised as part of any grievance procedure. And yes, I'm conscious that we aren't talking about the most professional organisation in the world - but nevertheless it seems unfair to cast aspersions without proof.
In fact if previous posters are subtly suggesting that he directly caused someone to commit suicide, then that poster should perhaps rethink his/her post and the admins should also consider the possible consequences of such veiled accusations.
FWIW - as someone who would have liked to have seen someone like Karl Harrison come back into the fold in a coaching capacity, I don't see Jon Sharp as being a million miles away in terms of his experience/approach. So if these rumours are true, I'd be fairly positive'"
I'd agree with nearly all of this except Sharp is a much better coach than Harrison imo. The majority of Fev fans were very pleased with what he did at the club, especially turning round a team that was underachieving badly. His contract wasn't renewed because Mark Campbell has high expectations and top 2, rather than top 4, was the goal last season; additionally, he (Campbell) felt the brand of rugby wasn't very exciting.
I doubt you're going to see scintillating flowing rugby if Sharp is your new coach, but you're likely to be a very solid and well-motivated team under him, and it would be a mistake to suggest he is unpopular with his players; there were certainly a couple whose face didn't fit with him at Fev, but the experienced and well-respected Andy Ellis stated a few months into Sharp's reign that he had "brought the team together like never before".
I also don't agree with the poster who stated that Sharp is a boring speaker; in his pre-match and post-match interviews at Fev he was articulate and invariably made a lot of sense, which wasn't always the case with his immediate predecessors, notably John Bastian, who might be a wizard at developing youth players but seemed totally out of his depth as a head coach.
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| Quote ="amberavenger"To put it delicately, just because the RFL have not highlighted that any grievance procedures were brought against him, doesn't mean there weren't, they just werent made public. There is basically no information at all about why he left,which is how rumours start to be fair.'"
I did acknowledge this point in my original post - I accept that the governing body are somewhat lacking in professionalism, but I still think it's one hell of a leap to suggest that the behaviour of Jon Sharp led directly to someone committing suicide. There may have been stuff happening behind closed doors, but the press release at the time of his departure was nothing but positive. In my experience, if someone leaves a business 'under a cloud' the parting messages are somewhat neutral - certainly not the case when JS left the RFL.
If I remember correctly, allegations were made against JS by a particular ex-referee who himself was suspended three times during his career - the final time for behaviour towards female employees. He chose to retire instead.
So you can take the view of 'there's no smoke without fire' or you can accept that in any walk of life some people rub other people up the wrong way. In terms of his RL experience and coaching ability, I reckon JS would be a strong choice for us.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"I believe the assistant has already been agreed at the same time as appointing Jon Sharp'"
The head coaches position has not been agreed.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"The head coaches position has not been agreed.'"
Summert needs sorting fast then. We are a week in to pre season and we dont have a coach. What a joke.
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| interesting coincidence that Toovey finally makes his mind up on same day as seat renewal deadline. Anyone would think they were hoping people would sign up before deadline on assumption Toovey was staying.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Summert needs sorting fast then. We are a week in to pre season and we dont have a coach. What a joke.'"
I understand your frustration on the matter, but Leigh Beattie is currently the interim head coach; taking pre-season training.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"I understand your frustration on the matter, but Leigh Beattie is currently the interim head coach; taking pre-season training.'"
Why not give him job? He did good at start of last season.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Summert needs sorting fast then. We are a week in to pre season and we dont have a coach. What a joke.'"
These first few weeks of pre-season won't need a head coach. It is all being led by S&C department so the Chairman has a few weeks until the ground work begins on the field. Would rather they take a few days to think what is right than jump in to a rush move.
That said, Jon Sharp has been at Tong in the last week so I know where I'm laying my money at the moment.
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Why not give him job? He did good at start of last season.'"
He was interim coach in name only. Someone else was taking the coaching duties.
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| Quote ="mat"interesting coincidence that Toovey finally makes his mind up on same day as seat renewal deadline. Anyone would think they were hoping people would sign up before deadline on assumption Toovey was staying.'"
Except the seat deadline is on the 18th...
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| Quote ="bullinenemyland"These first few weeks of pre-season won't need a head coach. It is all being led by S&C department so the Chairman has a few weeks until the ground work begins on the field. '"
I thought that too but experts on this thread insisted that the coach is the only one that can operate the weighing scales used in the initial fitness assessment, so everything has to wait.
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| but lets face it, to be better than last year in addition to fitness all we need the team to do is get the basics right, and that should be phase 2 - catching a pass, catching a kick before it bounces, how to tackle, how to etc etc. One of the other problems of last year that contributed so we are told to the mid season malaise has pretty much been sorted, players that want to play - are there many of the tribunal claim players left?
So if having a head coach is phase three, wow, we should have a sweepstake on the most points we score in a game, and no Happyrchops your first choice is out, you cannot score nil points.
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| There will be a lot more expectation on the players keeping themselves fit this season.
Only so much they can do in an evening.
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From the YP
Ex-Huddersfield Giants head coach Jon Sharp, who parted with Featherstone Rovers in July, has been mentioned as the likely candidate to take over at the fallen giants although sources at the club last night distanced themselves from such reports.
Read more at: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8859875
It wouldn't be a Bulls pre season if it all went smoothly!
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Ex-Huddersfield Giants head coach Jon Sharp, who parted with Featherstone Rovers in July, has been mentioned as the likely candidate to take over at the fallen giants although sources at the club last night distanced themselves from such reports.
Read more at: www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/ru ... -1-8859875
It wouldn't be a Bulls pre season if it all went smoothly!
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| I like a bit of intrigue. I've read before that Cha- is building his team around ball handlers, so surely Sharp's brand of rugby would rub him up the wrong way?
Feeling happier this morning now 'sources close to the club' (i.e. Mick stood on Rooley) have distanced themselves.
Young coach, young team... let's have a real fresh start.
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| Quote ="Scarey71"Young coach, young team... let's have a real fresh start.'"
Agreed, I'd much rather give a coach a chance i.e. Greenwood then hire a bog standard coach who has done the rounds without ever doing anything remarkable.
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| Quote ="ruraljuror"I did acknowledge this point in my original post - I accept that the governing body are somewhat lacking in professionalism, but I still think it's one hell of a leap to suggest that the behaviour of Jon Sharp led directly to someone committing suicide. There may have been stuff happening behind closed doors, but the press release at the time of his departure was nothing but positive. In my experience, if someone leaves a business 'under a cloud' the parting messages are somewhat neutral - certainly not the case when JS left the RFL.
If I remember correctly, allegations were made against JS by a particular ex-referee who himself was suspended three times during his career - the final time for behaviour towards female employees. He chose to retire instead.'"
Firstly, I was not the poster making that leap and I wasn't doing so in my posts, however I was calling into question his general character.
Second up, I've just re read the RFL press release from when he left, and my interpretation is that whilst there is nothing negative in it, there is still a lot of neutrality in it. No reason given for departure for one. We'll have to agree to disagree. My worry is that Fev was the second job in a row for him where his departure is suddenly announced unexpectedly and no reasons are given and Bradford will be his hatrick.
Thirdly, it's entirely possible both Silverwood and Sharp are unsavory characters, it's not either/or. Of course they both might be perfectly nice chaps.
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