Quote ="Bullseye"Will this side also play in the new Odsal superdome? Have people been on the wacky baccy or something?'" Not this year, just been watching and listening. Again I do not know that this is happening, it has been discussed for some time now in the area, (Manchester area RL) and the silence that is happening now, only adds to my thought process. It might not happen immediately this year, as obviously players, coaches, administrators etc, would have to move job and potentially house, but I suspect there is something in it. Everyone in SL and the Championship quietly agree that the SL needs a Bradford club, because you have wonderful support that brings in LOTS of money to the other clubs. It would NOT be fair to everyone else if the current club (team including coaching staff) were simply given a SL spot, and obviously they would not cope. If they merge and take another club with them, keep the majority of that club's first team (4th in SL) keep Tong and John Bastian, to enable a building for the future, it would help everyone in both the SL and lower divisions. The fact that Leigh are struggling even with their money man and that the Bulls have signed such as Sam Hallas, when 'relegation' was pretty much guaranteed, say to me that a. the Bulls would not reach SL by developing organically and b. Gary Hetherington and McDermott are trying to help Bradford They would NOT advise Hallas to move to a us if they were not hopeful of a Bulls regeneration. They would not loan their young guns, IF they were not keen in keeping Bulls up. (albeit they failed). Leeds have most to gain from a Bradford club in Sl. 25K crowds being the main one. No wacky needed needed, just RL common sense. Quick edit at 5.05pm. Just found this. www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... eague-one/ Apologies if old news. Can someone tell me how to put a photo on my profile please: tried the avatar thingy, but too big a file. ta

Quote ="Bullseye"Will this side also play in the new Odsal superdome? Have people been on the wacky baccy or something?'" Not this year, just been watching and listening. Again I do not know that this is happening, it has been discussed for some time now in the area, (Manchester area RL) and the silence that is happening now, only adds to my thought process. It might not happen immediately this year, as obviously players, coaches, administrators etc, would have to move job and potentially house, but I suspect there is something in it. Everyone in SL and the Championship quietly agree that the SL needs a Bradford club, because you have wonderful support that brings in LOTS of money to the other clubs. It would NOT be fair to everyone else if the current club (team including coaching staff) were simply given a SL spot, and obviously they would not cope. If they merge and take another club with them, keep the majority of that club's first team (4th in SL) keep Tong and John Bastian, to enable a building for the future, it would help everyone in both the SL and lower divisions. The fact that Leigh are struggling even with their money man and that the Bulls have signed such as Sam Hallas, when 'relegation' was pretty much guaranteed, say to me that a. the Bulls would not reach SL by developing organically and b. Gary Hetherington and McDermott are trying to help Bradford They would NOT advise Hallas to move to a us if they were not hopeful of a Bulls regeneration. They would not loan their young guns, IF they were not keen in keeping Bulls up. (albeit they failed). Leeds have most to gain from a Bradford club in Sl. 25K crowds being the main one. No wacky needed needed, just RL common sense. Quick edit at 5.05pm. Just found this. www.totalrl.com/forums/index.php ... eague-one/ Apologies if old news. Can someone tell me how to put a photo on my profile please: tried the avatar thingy, but too big a file. ta

Not really, seeing as we've been fed so many lies over last 5 years. don't think fanbase trust anything they are told anymore. As we aren't being told anything at all its hard to muster any enthusiasm for future at moment.

All very true mat, but if that forum that they keep mentioning, y'know, as if it's really going to happen sometime, were to come to pass, then, on the appointed day, I guess, fool that I am, that I'd STILL be there and STILL hoping some of it, just a little tiny bit of it, might actually be true...

you mean the one on Wednesday?

Not guilty.

I'm just checking flight prices to Toronto Wolfpack.

Well when our beloved Bulls team disappears into oblivion we could all start supporting the new kids on the block Manchester Rangers; because there is no way I could support a current SL/Champ/L1 side - it would be just wrong.

Well, yeah, or Tuesday, Sunday, tomorrow or the 12th of never....

I don't have a clue what is going on, i think odsal will be sold, something will be built on Richard Dunne, a new sports centre will be built down the road out of the funds Bradford council receive for selling Odsal.

Not sure what will happen to the Bulls.

I have no idea about the rumours mentioned about Koukash moving/merging but there are a couple of obstacles that haven't been mentioned.

It is at least another 3 years before he has a break clause in the lease at the AJ Bell and he currently owes Salford Council over £1m, which they have been quietly allowing him to defer payment on for the last 4 years.

I can only guess that if he moves out of the city, they will actively be seeking alot of money.

A piffling million? To the good Dr that's a mere trifle, pay the man Marwan a damn his impudence

Interesting. Can't see the Gateshull/Shuddersfield conspiracy happening then.

Sale Sharks are reportedly willing to pay a percentage of the break clause as they are pushing more and more for sole tenancy.

right Redeverready its time to come clean....are you Marwan Koukash?

Dam you got me surprised the ruse lasted so long.

I'm Spartacus!!!

Well you sure as hell don't look like him, how do you DO that?

Reportedly where? SS pay rent to the Stadium Management Company, just like Salford. The bars, food and other events at the stadium are also run by the SMC so what benefit would they get in having the place to themselves?

SS all ready have the naming rights, the lease on the shop, have their own training ground in Carrington so in effect only pay to use the stadium on match days. Salford being there makes no difference to them, so why would they pay to help them move?

On a separate note the SMC has just reported a loss of £1 million for the last year, so even if SS were hoping to buy the stadium outright why would they want a tennant who pays over £300k a year, does not impact them, to leave?

Its all gone a little conspiracy crazy on here. I genuinely don't really believe any of it, as with the application of Occam's razor we are where we are because:

* The people who got the club at the start of the season were the RFLs preferred bidders

* The People who got the club at the start of the season were the only viable bidders who were willing to fulfil the RFLs ridiculous pre-requisites

* Would any multimillionaire set up someone else to buy a club when he could have just got his wife to front it instead

* If any millionaire HAD secretly bought the club, I'm sure we wouldn't be where we are now. What good is another season wasted in an even lower league; where is the return on that? would it be worth crippling the support for some great plan?

* Magically returning the Bulls to Superleague in some great restructuring in 2 years time would cause uproar, and result in many supporters from other teams turning their back on the game in disgust. Despite everyone knowing we are the RFLs favourites.

* I can't see moving a club from Manchester/Salford to somewhere else would get the RFLs permission. They should be trying to get the game more popular IN Manchester, not walk away from it....

* The talk about a new stadium, while nice, hasn't been mentioned by anyone of note; including the RFL, Bradford Bulls, Bradford Council or certain racehorse owners, meaning that it either isn't true or it's not going to happen in the next few years. Bradford council [uwill[/u have to replace Dunnie swimming facilities eventually, but there would be uproar in Bradford if they go all in with the Bulls with our financial record. And this stuff takes years to hammer out as well.

* This is the RFL. Their incompetent ineptitude astonishes still. They have sat around and watched the sport wither and die, both in participation and attendances. Lower league clubs are in huge financial difficulties, they constantly blow the chance to make the game more popular, they gave away sponsorship to a truck company for free, they sold the TV rights to a company without bartering them up (and by doing this actually reduced the amount of games people can watch!) they make up and change rules to the competition as they see fit. Do you think they are capable of such a magnificent, Machiavellian scheme? Honestly?


Its like the Paul McCartneys dead story. Why would you go to such lengths to cover up his death (including plastic surgery for the replacement, police bribery, etc) just to try and break the news over the following years with cryptic clues on your albums. We are where we are for a number of reasons, but it is for more realistic, and dull, reasons than I have read in this thread.

[size=50Of course, I may be wrong. But none of this seems likely with our luck[/size

don't know about any of rest of conspiracy theory but plans for replacement swimming pool/ sports (albeit on a smaller scale than dunns) were announced months ago. to go on odsal sedbergh site afaik.

edit: here's article from planning was granted.

[urlhttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15309713.Controversial_pool_scheme_wins_planning_approval__despite_residents__concerns/[/url

Bloody spoilsport!



I was contemplating the possibility that maybe, just maybe, one of the kites being flown might have had wings and might [ieven[/i have been related to Icarus. I'll dream on.....

Excellent post.

Indeed. The mystery remains, though, as to why, from our new owners' point of view, they would be willing to do so. We've watched them all season, and had seen a total collapse of playing standards, and a relegation so rapid, it will surely never be repeated.

I still think relegation wasn't inevitable, but we sat on our hands, and paid the heavy price. This price was obvious. Why would the new owners so meekly resign s and themselves to this miserable fate/

This I still do not get.


No.


Exactly.


I think most would now agree that after we committed hari kari, our new version was absolutely stuffed by the RFL. But yes, it would be impossible to parachute a Bulls team into SL, for the reasons you state, and also because you might as well parachute an Under-12s team in.


I'm sure something is afoot, I've heard almost the same thing from 3 separate independent sources now, but yes, it would take years for anything to actually happen, and not a penny of the something comes to Bulls or pays for even a pair of boots.


I'm sure that in doing what they did with ChaLow they must have had their own reasons. Fscked if I know what those reasons were.

Would have loved to be a fly on the RFL boardroom wall on whatever day the topic of the Bulls' relegation came up.

I think maybe something on the lines of

Nigel Wood "Well, Swinton are rocking lets expand the championship, if we keep my future bulls, erm I mean the bulls in an extended championship it wont be at the expense of anyone and everyone will be happy!"

Ralph Rimmer "Sod it Nigel lets go for a pint"

NW "Come on Ralph less of the beer talk we need to sort this I've got championship chairmen breathing down my neck telling me how much revenue they will lose out on we need them in the championship"

RR "Lets talk closer to the time, lets go to pub now for a pint"

NW "Ralph theres business to attend to! And what about the summer bash! KR will go up! if bulls go down there will be 1000 topside over the whole weekend and we wont get any money whatsoever!"

RR "Mmm summer bash love a beer in Blackers! Look Nigel we going for a pint or what?"

NW "Ralph is that all you think about!!!"

RR "Tell you what Nigel, you dont want a pint I dont want the Bulls! F*ck them send them down"