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| Quote ="paulwalker71"You'd have to believe that they've been working on a Plan B for a while, because there's no way to pull everything together from scratch between now and February.
Hopefully, the RFL have 'signalled' to the players and their agents that, if they hold tight, they can be TUPE'd over to a new company in the next day or two. OK, a few will doubtless 'do a Kopczak', but hopefully the bulk of the squad will remain (if only because nobody else has any space on their cap to sign them!)'"
If they thought there was no chance they would have said that cap limits would not include, say 2, players who are now without a job, which they haven't done.
BTW TUPE does not apply, the players contracts are null and void, so they would have to accept a new one, so they may have to accept a reduced salary. The RFL statement does talk about the 'debilitating' financial commitments planned for 2017!
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| Interesting from the RFL
Quote The Administrator of Bradford Bulls (Northern) Limited has confirmed that the club has ceased trading. While this is terribly disappointing and sad, it is not an entirely surprising development given the scale of debt incurred by the previous management of the club and the debilitating level of financial commitment already entered into for 2017.'"
I fully agree with the bit about the debt, but 'debilitating level of financial commitment entered into for 2017'
Does that hint at the unsustainabilty of a full-time squad, and a move to part-time? What other 'debilitating commitment' was there?
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| Quote ="Mirfieldbull"
BTW TUPE does not apply, the players contracts are null and void, so they would have to accept a new one, so they may have to accept a reduced salary. The RFL statement does talk about the 'debilitating' financial commitments planned for 2017!'"
Thanks for the clarification - I noted the 'debilitating' bit in my follow up post. Interesting phrasing from the RFL
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"Interesting from the RFL
I fully agree with the bit about the debt, but 'debilitating level of financial commitment entered into for 2017'
Does that hint at the unsustainabilty of a full-time squad, and a move to part-time? What other 'debilitating commitment' was there?'"
If the rumours circulating last year are to be believed then you brought forward a lot of your Provident sponsorship money in a desperate attempt to get into the Middle eights last year. So your income would have been nothing but ticket sales and central funding, so even a part time team is difficult on those terms.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"What a load of nonsense. Why do the RFL insist on making up rules as they go along. If a new club forms it should be made to start in Championship 1 and earn its right to play in Championship. It devalues the Championship!
What happens if you sign all the same players and relagate some other team that has honoured its debts at the cost of putting out a competitive team?'"
I don't see anyone arguing with you. The chances of any new Bulls side relegating anyone are unlikely. You are forgetting that as it stands any new team has no players, not one and no coach etc. With a 12pt deduction, I'm not sure how you see them competing for anything other than not finishing a distant last.
Building from the bottom is best all round but upsets the RFLs plans.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Well Mick reckons the RFL have invited bids to them by the end of this week!
So we're screwed then
Debaser I ended it on a nice round number....'"
At the players meeting which went on for over 2 hours that's exactly what was said. The RFL have invited bids to be in by friday with the successful bid announced next week. The main concern at the minute is that the administrators have turned round this morning and said that there is no money to pay wages. I've never been so low either playing for or supporting this club.
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| Happy New F^$££in Year Mr Green
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| Quote ="zapperbull"Happy New F^$££in Year Mr Green'"
Yep. Good work. Businessman of the year.
Hope you are pleased with the outcome Marc.
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| So the RFL suggest that a new club be formed from scratch with 4 weeks to the start of the season and placed in the championship with a 12 point deduction. I thought the application of a penalty of well in excess of £1m against a club which had gone bust was mad but this takes the biscuit.
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| I believe this has been the plan all along. The RFL statement has come out very quickly.
Green gets nothing, Admin gets very little.
New buyer gets a ready made 2017 team in the Championship and has to top up central funding to pay the squad but the RFL have already agreed a subsides rent in the interest of both parties.
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| Sorry it came to this but as I said a while ago it was coming. Some things the fans need to know: The debilitating finance for next season regards the contracts the club entered into with players who the RFL had warned them couldn't be registered, yet they still signed them. The people responsible for these signing are the Head Coach and general manager who was in charge of monitoring the salary cap.
You don't sign players like Lachlan Burr if he can't be registered so the only reason you would do it is as a last ditch effort to boost season ticket sales. Marc Green has obtained all the season ticket money by deception.
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| Quote ="debaser"I don't see anyone arguing with you. The chances of any new Bulls side relegating anyone are unlikely. You are forgetting that as it stands any new team has no players, not one and no coach etc. With a 12pt deduction, I'm not sure how you see them competing for anything other than not finishing a distant last.
Building from the bottom is best all round but upsets the RFLs plans.'"
There is always more than meets the eye though, I would be willing to be the RFL are offering an extraordinary increase in funding for next year, and possibly offering lower rent. Even it all comes to just one million that is still more budget than 90% of the teams in this division. The only players realistically available this time of year are the players you have just made redundant. They are also likely desperate for some money, so wouldn't be able to stand on principle about coming back. A few signing bonuses here and there to cover lost wages and all is well.
Next thing you know Oldham are relegated despite honouring every £ of debt they had and despite not signing an unsustainable squad such as Bradford have done.
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| The people I really feel sorry for are those who signed/resigned to play this year having knocked back offers from other teams, they must feel like have a double kick in the nuts
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| I so hope we get a team this year, and then we hammer Halifax at the Shay.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"What a load of nonsense. Why do the RFL insist on making up rules as they go along. If a new club forms it should be made to start in Championship 1 and earn its right to play in Championship. It devalues the Championship!
What happens if you sign all the same players and relagate some other team that has honoured its debts at the cost of putting out a competitive team?'"
The RFL unlike you continues to recognize the immense value to the game and all the other clubs you mention of a Bradford Bulls remaining in operation. A new club is not what they need or want. You appear to not get this basic point.
Quote Accordingly the [RFL Board has agreed that the wider interests of the sport is best satisfied if it offers a place in the Kingstone Press Championship to any new club in Bradford and that such a club start the 2017 season on minus twelve points.'"
Your ignorant prattle about honouring debts is astonishing. The club has paid the ultimate price by being liquidated. That company has GONE. If anyone starts a new company and reforms the club, then plainly it won't be at the expense of any creditors of the liquidated company. You're desperately trying to make connections that don't exist.
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| From the Bulls Facebook page. Some of the wording is interesting.
"There was fundamental uncertainty over a series of topics, including the quality of the management information available"
Light words cast the darkest shade.
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| Quote ="daveyz999"I so hope we get a team this year, and then we hammer Halifax at the Shay.
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| Quote ="Sensei-Bull"If we are about to see the majority of the team walk away then I don't think I can watch it happen.
It's pointless staying in the championship if we don't have a championship standard team.'"
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| Quote ="vbfg"From the Bulls Facebook page. Some of the wording is interesting.
"There was fundamental uncertainty over a series of topics, including the quality of the management information available"
Light words cast the darkest shade.'"
Yes. Mismanagement.
But I think that's pretty obvious now...
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| That's one word for it. I do not think that is what is being implied there.
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| As predicted more and more BS from the RFL. How the hell can Bradford be allowed to stay in the Championship? Shocking Favouritism....again.
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| Quote ="el red"Sorry it came to this but as I said a while ago it was coming. Some things the fans need to know: The debilitating finance for next season regards the contracts the club entered into with players who the RFL had warned them couldn't be registered, yet they still signed them. The people responsible for these signing are the Head Coach and general manager who was in charge of monitoring the salary cap.
You don't sign players like Lachlan Burr if he can't be registered so the only reason you would do it is as a last ditch effort to boost season ticket sales. Marc Green has obtained all the season ticket money by deception.'"
To think Green denounced Koukash at RFL council meetings....such a hypocrite.
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| Quote ="vbfg""There was fundamental uncertainty over a series of topics, including the quality of the management information available"'"
That [iis[/i interesting. Remember my brief discussion on this very topic with him when we were at a function last year? His response at the time was worrying, and for good reason too as it turns out. I guess Green is just some to$$er in a suit.
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| Quote ="MashPotatoes"As predicted more and more BS from the RFL. How the hell can Bradford be allowed to stay in the Championship? Shocking Favouritism....again.'"
Go play chicken on the m62, people lost livelihoods and you still pout bitterness
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| Can all the plonkers complaining about the RFL put their posts on Virtual terrace and not on here. Take it up with them not us.
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