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| Quote ="jockabull"[urlhttp://www.idiotsguides.com/education/grammar-and-punctuation/how-to-use-common-punctuation-marks/[/url
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Wow, I bet the nights fly by in your house Taggart
It's comforting to know your more concerned about my lack of alleged grammatical knowledge than you are with the plight of your club
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Nonsense we would have deffo won it and you know it, stop making rubbish up'"
Aw bless course you would if you say so
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I'm really glad you agree with me on this.
The word deffo is that your definition of Learn English, have a word with yourself
Btw apologies for deleting all the other she!!te from your post when you replied to my unbiased observation regarding where you go from here, and despite your childish hostility towards me I hope your club can see through your present problems.
Keep in touch love chiss
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OK, chissitt, sit down... This may blow your mind, but you can live in one city and hail from another!
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| Quote ="josefw"OK, chissitt, sit down... This may blow your mind, but you can live in one city and hail from another!'"
Well I would never have guessed that
Did you go to live in Manchestaar to study the English language at university, or to get away from Bradford and it's ailing rugby club or was it simply the weather
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I was pretty despondent after the MPG because first, we should have won it, second if Addy's conversion had been good we WOULD have won it, third because we came so close despite a mystifying squad selection and the terrible luck of a still-nowhere-near-fit Gaskell.
I was despondent because if we couldn't beat a Wakefield in such disarray, then no better opportunity would likely come again.
But, I stumped up for my £380 season ticket expecting that the squad having had a year to get to know each other, plus one or two decent improvements, would again make a good fist of the season, even if it seemed unlikely we could win the MPG. I reasoned that there was chance, however slim, that we could finish in an automatic promotion spot. And it was slim, but it could be done, if we were better, trampled everyone all season and peaked at the right time, and managed to win against a SL team that also dropped other points, I could see a way.
Unfortunately our recruitment has been baffling and shambolic, and anybody who has watched the games knows that these players are not properly coached, and come on to the field somehow with a huge inferiority complex, and a tender constitution, and as soon as things go wrong, they panic and we can't find a way out.
Even the coach knows he's not coaching them properly - he keeps saying so. He says its his job and he is failing. But why is he still in it, then? I mean, what signs are there that despite our descent into a frankly joke side, he has the ability to turn us into victors over SL clubs in the playoffs? (and how daft does THAT idea sound?!?)
I don't understand Green. I understand loyalty but this isn't about that, this is about a team which is totally lost, and a "coach" who repeatedly admits he has no clue what to do to make things better. And a club that thinks we don't need a scrum half.
But my main concern is the universal bad feeling and bad taste of all present at recent games, especially after Sheffield. Green underestimates the fans. There is only so much shiit you can take before it sticks in your throat and I think the limit is now being reached. People feel as if they have been sold a pup, and that there is zero sign of anybody doing anything about it. The players seemingly love Lowes, Lowes loves them, and Green and Ferres love both, and so we are apparently doomed to do nothing, and to play like this all season, and to finish somewhere in the lower reaches of the Championship, and thereafter to die a slow and lingering death as crowds disappear, money dries up, and we become the club that once used to be Bradford.
It is all a bitter pill, but it needs something major to change and fast - but all the signs are that NOTHING will be changing any time soon, if at all.
Is that all there is?
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Very well summed up and difficult to disagree with any of it.
I walked away on Sunday thinking there is no chance I'm spending £20 (or however much a ticket and petrol is) to go to Dewsbury on Sunday to watch this crap again. I've supported through thick and thin but there gets to a point where you don't want to give up your Sunday afternoon and hard earned money that could be spent elsewhere, to go and be depressed for 2 hours. You wouldn't do that in any other aspect of life, so why would you do it for sport?
That being said, the later it gets in the week, the more I become like a previous poster. That completely illogical thought starts to come into your mind of "Ah, but maybe we'll be better, I'll go anyway". It's got no basis whatsoever, I fully expect in reality I'm going to be weed off again on Sunday, but I also think I'll inevitably end up going again despite not really wanting to.
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| Did we detect the first signs of humility from James Lowes in his post-match comments? That would be a start but sadly nowhere near what's required. I'm impressed by Daryl Powell and his approach at Castleford when they lose - frank but at the same always positive about improving and moving on. I imagine Jimmy behaving like a spoilt kid around the sheds after the game, kicking stuff over and ranting and then taking that attitude into training during the week. This team need a new way of thinking, a new psychology. Aside from the scrum-half issue, the squad has the quality to dominate this league. That can only be achieved by a new coach.
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Rarely have I read such cobblers. Does Omari really believe this rubbish?
"We’re not losing games through any lack of effort, although it might look like that, and we’re working hard in training to put things right." I know what I saw with my own eyes on Sunday.
“I think the boys are trying too hard, me included, and instead of just sticking with the gameplan we get a bit carried away trying to score points, when really it’s a case of seeing games out." If our display after 18mins was us getting carried away trying to score points then I hate to see us play boring rugby as it'd put a glass eye to sleep.
“But all the boys have full faith in him and I don’t think there is any sort of problem at all.” No problem at all eh?
A statement from someone more senior at the club would've been more appropriate. It stinks a bit to send a player out to comment who's probably not got the skills to put into words what's going on. Where's Ferres? He's quick to comment when he says the fans aren't getting behind the team - where are you now Steve? You're stepping up your hunt for a scrum half? What have you been doing for the past 18months?
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Rarely have I read such cobblers. Does Omari really believe this rubbish?
"We’re not losing games through any lack of effort, although it might look like that, and we’re working hard in training to put things right." I know what I saw with my own eyes on Sunday.
“I think the boys are trying too hard, me included, and instead of just sticking with the gameplan we get a bit carried away trying to score points, when really it’s a case of seeing games out." If our display after 18mins was us getting carried away trying to score points then I hate to see us play boring rugby as it'd put a glass eye to sleep.
“But all the boys have full faith in him and I don’t think there is any sort of problem at all.” No problem at all eh?
A statement from someone more senior at the club would've been more appropriate. It stinks a bit to send a player out to comment who's probably not got the skills to put into words what's going on. Where's Ferres? He's quick to comment when he says the fans aren't getting behind the team - where are you now Steve? You're stepping up your hunt for a scrum half? What have you been doing for the past 18months?
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| Omari has voiced his displeasure at that article on twitter this morning, so let's just remember that Ross is a journalist trying to sell papers at the end of the day.
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| Quote ="bullsonfire" This team need a new way of thinking, a new psychology.'"
Lowes post match comments on Radio Leeds repeatedly mentioned psychology, which surprised me as I was expecting his usual grunts. Bradford should be as fit & strong as any team in the Championship. So they are either not skillful enough or too mentally weak/disenchanted. I can't see Lowes rectifying any of those.
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"Imagine being asked a question to which you give an answer, to then see what you said being spun in all kind of ways #GreatJournalism"
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Just found it...cheers.
"Imagine being asked a question to which you give an answer, to then see what you said being spun in all kind of ways #GreatJournalism"
Questions for Ross - is he stirring things on purpose? Did Omari really get quoted out of context. Why the eff wasn't a senior member of staff taking responsibility for a statement rather than a player?'"
Or did he actually say those things and then realise how utterly bloody stupid it sounds.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Lowes post match comments on Radio Leeds repeatedly mentioned psychology, which surprised me as I was expecting his usual grunts. Bradford should be as fit & strong as any team in the Championship. So they are either not skillful enough or too mentally weak/disenchanted. I can't see Lowes rectifying any of those.'"
Nor can I.
It seems to me that the team have a few issues. The lack of “end product” from our halfbacks has brought about a situation where players are now lost for ideas and are getting fed up with doing a load of work for no reward. I’ve played in sides that has no playmakers and it’s a demoralising experience. You can get in good positions but never make it pay off. In the end you start to question what the point of it all is. My experience is limited to very poor amateur and student rugby so I’d hope professionals have a better attitude but maybe this is what’s going on? Look at Gaskell – he looks utterly peed off. He got a slight knock on Sunday and then disappeared for long parts of the game. Someone needs to get a grip of this team and get players thinking and playing more positively and we need another playmaker pronto.
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The word deffo is that your definition of Learn English, have a word with yourself
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Do try to keep up.
Quote ="chissitt".. despite your childish hostility towards me I hope your club can see through your present problems.
Keep in touch love chiss
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Quote ="Hamsterchops"I walked away on Sunday thinking there is no chance I'm spending £20 (or however much a ticket and petrol is) to go to Dewsbury on Sunday to watch this crap again. I've supported through thick and thin but there gets to a point where you don't want to give up your Sunday afternoon and hard earned money that could be spent elsewhere, to go and be depressed for 2 hours. You wouldn't do that in any other aspect of life, so why would you do it for sport?
That being said, the later it gets in the week, the more I become like a previous poster. That completely illogical thought starts to come into your mind of "Ah, but maybe we'll be better, I'll go anyway". It's got no basis whatsoever, I fully expect in reality I'm going to be weed off again on Sunday, but I also think I'll inevitably end up going again despite not really wanting to'"
This is the truest summary ever of why we still get 4000 people turning up (and healthy numbers away). That's me exactly. But, while hard core, it isn't a solid 4000. One by one, stalwarts are having enough, and letting go. I'm worried it will soon become a trickle, then a flood. People are definitely reaching the end of their tether with all this.
And, the hardcore are your bread, but the extras that pay on the gate are your butter, maybe a bit of jam in popular fixtures. Not one single person who paid twenty quid to watch that dross will be back at the next home game.
I do think though that the away fans will turn up as normal, they are the most solid of the hardcore, but they aren't anywhere near enough to keep the club afloat.
Plus, after such a debacle you'd have been forgiven for thinking that the club would come up with something, anything, this week to try to repair the severe damage that performance did, but yet we have no word. Nothing from Green. Not a word from Ferres. No action on the scrum half front. Nothing.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Plus, after such a debacle you'd have been forgiven for thinking that the club would come up with something, anything, this week to try to repair the severe damage that performance did, but yet we have no word. Nothing from Green. Not a word from Ferres. No action on the scrum half front. Nothing.'"
Second only to signing a scrum half, that is exactly what they need to do sooner rather than later.
Even a "we've signed Mitch Clark to a longer contract" would put some positivity back in. Instead we're left with a single line in an article with Omari Caro (who either has his head in the clouds, or has been misrepresented) that mentioned Ferres has upped his efforts to search for a 7. Does that mean he wasn't really looking that hard before then?
I fully expect rather than some actual positive news, we'll get a press release later this week from Ferres/Green/RHP saying that the fans need to do their bit and turn up at Dewsbury.
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| Quote ="josefw"OK, chissitt, sit down... This may blow your mind, but you can live in one city and hail from another!'"
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Quote ="Seth"Aside from clear lack of leadership and direction on the field, 80% of what goes on in a game is mental. BM talked recently in an interview how training wasnt an enjoyable environment to be in at the moment as 'they have to always address the things that are going wrong' this is clearly an approach that isn't working at the moment. I have always believed that the more you enjoy your work the better you perform, sometimes the harder you strive for something the further it gets away and more demoralising it becomes. It's OK talking about technical issues but this game isn't the most complicated, morale is the first thing to address in my view.
If you have seen the PA suite at Leeds the players are analysed right down to the infinite detail and when players are low this is not always helpful, employees are not robots and don't function as such.'"
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I expect it's a similar situation at Bradford.'"
Agree - think we can all relate to that at work too.
Sometimes as a department or business you need to step back and keep sight of the strategy vision you set yourselves at the start of the year / month / week / whatever time period you choose.
It's easy to fall into fire fight mode whatever line of business you are in.
Step back and review the pre season strategy and goals
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| I also agree. Team sport is a unique kind of employment in that the interaction between the team and the coach is the one single factor that can completely, and totally illogically, transform the performance of a sports team.
It's also a rather fragile thing, and hard to say what goes wrong, but when itdoes, everything can change in an instant. Take Mourinho at Chelsea - he is still in demand as one of the best if not THE best, yet Chelsea's sudden fall from grace was a spectacular as it was unexpected.
We see this throughout the decades, in so many teams, and the reason is that given a high level of fitness (tick) and given players with a reasonable degree of ability (tick) one coach can make them magnificent, another can get them relegated.
Do any of you oldies believe that Nottingham Forest could ever have got anywhere near being Champions of Europe, without Brian Clough (and Taylor)?
Much nearer home, we had our very own Peter Fox, who could sign beat-ups, has-beens and ageing cripples, and turn the mix into a title-winning team.
That's why Lowes has to go. He does have a good mix of talent - however barking the signings policy may be - and very clearly the sum of the parts is much, much worse under his direction, we can't change all the players so we need a coach who can wave the (literal) magic wand.
I personally think that 80% of the issue - if not more - is in the players' heads. The team believed in Cloughie, and he made them feel they could do anything. Ditto Foxy. Whatever our lads say, their performances show that they have no self-belief and probably all have a low self-esteem and an inferiority complex. That's certainly what it looks like.
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| I remember my playing days and was fortunate to have 1 coach through my junior days right up to U18's
He knew how to get the best of of each and every one of us and by the U18's we went through the season with only 1 defeat.
We'd have run through walls out of respect and admiration for him
The guy that took over was the opposite; he played us out of position, we didn't believe in him etc etc.
Guess what happened to the very same team.....
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| You can apply it to your own working life....
Managers you've been inspired by and ones that have demotivated you.
I know I've tried to take all the good bits and learn from the awful ones what not to do to mold myself today
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