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| I would love to be a fly on the wall in the boardroom and hear what Green and co are saying and doing in private. Some people think they are doing nothing as they are not in the papers. I bet they are busy doing something but it may be preparing for next year in the championship - and this work can't be discusses yet in the media as it will look like we have given up.
It looks like we are going down so I would be disappointed if Green hasn't started planning how to get us back up within say 5 years.
At the moment the directors will have "public"faces and comment and also "private" sides that we are not told about. Hopefully, we can stay up and they will never tell us what they are planning but I do hope they have it all planned by the middle of July which is when we could be relegated officially.
Most of the players will already be looking around. Maybe a few of them out there last weekend have already got an offer which could explain their effort levels.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"icon_eek.gif
For present purposes, then, you'll need to explain the difference, cos I'm buggered if I can see a material one!'"
'Not prepared' equates to not seeing the value in an exchange of effort for prospective results, most probably due to having no faith in the outcome no matter how hard they try. 'Can't be bothered' means not wishing to expend the effort irrespective. The former means they do not believe in what they're being assured will be the fruits of their effort. The latter means they don't care.
I think it's the former and as TT says the dressing room has stopped listening or processing what FCs saying. It's tragic because it's largely not his fault, although I do think he's made crucial mistakes. Nevertheless, he looks doomed.
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| Quote ="tigertot"To me that reads like Cummins has lost the dressing room, as they say these days.'"
It also reads as if the dressing room has lost the coach
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| Quote ="M@islebugs"'Not prepared' equates to not seeing the value in an exchange of effort for prospective results, most probably due to having no faith in the outcome no matter how hard they try. 'Can't be bothered' means not wishing to expend the effort irrespective. The former means they do not believe in what they're being assured will be the fruits of their effort. The latter means they don't care.
I think it's the former and as TT says the dressing room has stopped listening or processing what FCs saying. It's tragic because it's largely not his fault, although I do think he's made crucial mistakes. Nevertheless, he looks doomed.'"
This will be where the club psychiatrist earns his bonus then?
Also - the senior players last year were Diskin, Kearney, Scruton, Walker and L'Estrange. How many of them played in France? Some left due to financial reasons, some out through injury.
In this current team, vocal leadership (which is respected/listened to) is provided by Diskin, Walker and Kearney.
Loan players can't provide it. Younger players can't provide it. Gale is expected to be able to provide it, but it's not working.
If Diskin is available, I think we'll do ok this weekend. But I look at what the team has been doing recently and wonder, like many, if the few good performances are because of, or despite the coaching?
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| Quote ="paulwalker71"The most incredible phrase in that somewhat sad eulogy is the one about hoping we have a handful of players 'who are willing to do a job for the team'
Here's a thought Mr Cummins: How about we see 17 players who are willing to a job for the team? Frankly 'a handful' won't suffice, as we can be certain that Wakefield will be fired up for this game.
And if he is suggesting that there were a handful that weren't even trying on Saturday - and the visual evidence would suggest that - then, given that we look like having Diskin, Ferguson, Blythe, Walker, Fakir etc back and available - then it should be quite simple to drop that handful
Then we would see who 'the handful' are.'"
I'm speechless at Cummins comments. What an appalling attitude from the coach. Our biggest game in recent history and he is HOPEFUL that SOME players will do THEIR JOB.
How disrespectful to Wakey. Does he really believe that if only half the team do "their job" that we will win!? We need all seventeen players busting a gut on Sunday. Wakefield certainly will.
Deary me!
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I'm speechless at Cummins comments. What an appalling attitude from the coach. Our biggest game in recent history and he is HOPEFUL that SOME players will do THEIR JOB.
How disrespectful to Wakey. Does he really believe that if only half the team do "their job" that we will win!? We need all seventeen players busting a gut on Sunday. Wakefield certainly will.
Deary me!'"
I wouldnt be so sure about Wakey, we have lost our way big time at the minute and there's plenty of talk on our board of people who arent going to bother coming to Bradford as they are expecting a drubbing!
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| Hopefully a couple of players will turn up on game day after eating their ready brek and be willing to put in a abit of a shift.
Regards,
Uber coach Francis Cummins.
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| Cheer up! Highlights of 99 grand final on sky now. The most upsetting thing watching it isn't the Withers "no touch" it was seeing the determination and effort of our team. Yes we had superstars, but saints made a break with about 5 support players, and everytime saints passed it, there was a bulls player busting a gut to make a try saving tackle. Wonder if Cummins will show our current lot the video. Oh to have a leader like a Dwyer, Lowes, Forshaw, Henry Paul.
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| Telegraph & Argus wrote:
Next Sunday’s home clash with Wakefield has now taken on added importance and the Bulls must win to avoid falling further behind.
Cummins said: “We knew Wakefield was a big game anyway and hopefully we’ll have a handful of players who are willing to do a job for the team.
“If we have then we won’t be far away. If half a dozen don’t turn up or decide to do something else, then we will get embarrassed again.”
The most incredible phrase in that somewhat sad eulogy is the one about hoping we have a handful of players 'who are willing to do a job for the team'
Erm ..... The players are getting paid to do this as a career, something I suspect many, many fans would love to have the skills/physique to do.
If I turn up to work and am not willing to do my job I get a warning then I get sacked for breaking my contract of employment if it continues - it's simple I understand the rules therefore I work hard to safeguard my employment and my family's well being. I don't always like it but I knuckle down and graft because life is tough at times and that's the way it simply is.
If the players are not willing to play drop them and play 17 youngsters who are willing. I for one would rather see 17 fully committed, hungry young players give their all rather than the garbage that was served up last Saturday, whatever the result may be.
I fear from the comments made in the T&A that FC has lost the dressing room, from this point I don't see any way back (but I genuinely hope I am proved wrong)
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| Maybe we're not targeting this one.
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| When Ross tweeted yesterday about an interview with Marc Green in today's t&a, I knew straight away it would just be an attempt to drum up some support.
Having now read the article, that's exactly what it is. And not only that, but he's hoping for an attendance of over 10k!
I seriously hope he is aiming high there, and does not realistically expect to see that many people turn up on Sunday.
After that shower of sh*t we witnessed last week he'll be lucky to get a crowd of half that amount.
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| Mr Green, the fans have seen this coach and team win 3 SL games in the first half of the season and get their backside spanked on a number of occasions. Bradford fans have answered the call and turned up in the past to see our team under perform i can tell you now the line is becoming very thin and you won't get any support if these results carry on.
At this moment in time what have we to offer SL if we stay up !!!
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| Quote The Bradford owner, who bought the club out of administration exactly eight weeks ago, would like to beat the season’s highest attendance of 10,106 who saw the derby clash with Leeds at Easter.'"
So would we all, but he knows that the reality is a crowd between 5000 - 6000.
“Sunday’s game is arguably Bradford Bulls’ most important since they were winning trophies – and some would say it’s possibly even bigger than that,” said Green.
Quote ="Green"I’m aware of the frustrations of the fans but I would urge each and every one of them to make an effort
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The 5000 core fans have already decided to make the effort.
The extra 5000+ are NOT people who will EVER pay money to watch if it is an "effort". They are fans who can easily be temptd by attractive fare, and if they think it's worth the money they may well go to a game. At the moment there is zero chance of any non-core fan thinking it is worth the money to watch the very real possibility of another woeful half-hearted humiliation by a bunch of disinterested players dragging their chins around at walking pace, so Mr. Green is wasting his breath. He might as well advertise in Spain for Real Madrid fans to make the trip.
Quote ="Green"“I realise fans have walked away in their droves and that they wanted to see the club being run professionally, ethically and with a certain code of conduct.'"
But the fans have not walked away in their droves. Indeed it is quite astonishing how over 5000 fans will still come even to be served such regular dross.
Quote ="Green"“I would like to think that myself and my board have demonstrated that during the past eight weeks, so it would be great to see the whole city get behind the team and create a cauldron of noise. '"
Speaking for myself, Mr. Green, you have not demonstrated much to me at all. We hardly ever hear a word from you.
We don't know whether the club is being run professionally. How would we be able to judge that? We don't know if the club is being run "ethically". One aspect of ethics is not shafting local businesses who had dealings with the old Bulls. We al know you are not responsible for the debts arising, but nobody has told us whether you intend to pay off all, some or none of the creditors of OKB so on what can we judge?
As for the notion that to get the whole city into Odsal bowl and create a 'cauldron of noise', the thing that would achieve that would be to satisfy the hordes that the club was being run professionally/ ethically etc., really? I mean, when we had the record crowd against Leeds, what percentage thought" Well, the main thing is, the club is being run ethically so I will go"?
Quote ="Green"“When we beat Catalan and Warrington at home recently, the support from the fans was outstanding and to get that in bigger numbers would give the players a massive lift as they walk out. '"
But as you have not directly said a word about their performance of late, why are you not instead urging each and every one of the PLAYERS to make an effort? You say it would give these players a lift. Well, read your coaches comments. He doesn't even know if the players intend to turn up and thinks it quite possible that many of them won't, and if so he says we could well be embarrassed again. Do you feel that is consistent with your message? How many extra fans do you think Cummins' bleak and dispirited condemnation will add to the gate? Was he wrong?
Quote ="Green"“If we lose, does that mean we are relegated? '"
Er, yes. Unless we are already as good as relegated in which case the game is actually meaningless.
Quote ="Green"“We will probably be one of several teams to go to Catalan and lose this year – you could name the two or three teams who will go there and win.'"
Surely you know it's about the performance they put up, and not the result??
Quote ="Green"...Francis has had extremely weakened squads during my time at the club....“He has seen the guts ripped out of his team through what happened earlier this year... Francis has been hindered by the injuries we have suffered....lost players to injury...'"
Everyone knows all this. Those may all be entirely valid reasons for losing games, but that's not the issue. It is the embarrassing "performances" that is the elephant in the room.
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| Quote ="Nothus"When Ross tweeted yesterday about an interview with Marc Green in today's t&a, I knew straight away it would just be an attempt to drum up some support.
Having now read the article, that's exactly what it is. And not only that, but he's hoping for an attendance of over 10k!
I seriously hope he is aiming high there, and does not realistically expect to see that many people turn up on Sunday.
After that shower of sh*t we witnessed last week he'll be lucky to get a crowd of half that amount.'"
So whilst Mr Green is trying to drum up support, the man in charge of the team is "hopeful" that a "handful of players" will put the effort in??????
You really cannot make this up.
Quite simply, we are, and have been for some time, a joke team. We offer absolutely nothing to SL bar to let the majority of other sides in the league get a nice confidence boost and an improvement in their points difference collumn. Effectively, we are like a "bye week" to most of the other sides.
Why should people pay to watch a team that even the coach thinks will not put the effort in? It is an absurd situation to be in.
The situation is so bad that, if you are reading Mr Green, even my good friend Ferocious Aardvark, who for YEARS has been the most positive supporter in the land (ridiculously so at times) is completely and utterly disilliusioned with the club at the moment.
The hardcore support are the people you need to keep onside and all the club is doing is making it worse.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"...
The situation is so bad that, if you are reading Mr Green, even my good friend Ferocious Aardvark, who for YEARS has been the most positive supporter in the land (ridiculously so at times) is completely and utterly disilliusioned with the club at the moment.
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I'm not utterly disillusioned. I'll be there against Wakefield, I will cheer and clap the team on to the field as usual and if they put it in I will applaud them off. I call it as I see it, but my support for the club remains.
I can't be disillusioned with Green & Co., as I really have nothing to base a judgment on. I don't know if he has pumped a million in or nothing, we have no clue what -if any - sanctions BBNL got or what - if any - old creditors are to be paid off. We don't know how much distribution money had already gone and what was left for BBNL. We are kept basically pretty much in the dark so can only reserve judgment.
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| Not easy for your supporters at the moment mate, we have been there so many times, what we are hanging on to is, if you beet us and get two points back we are still four in front with the game against London at home the week after. Then hopefully we will be six clear and two more wins should do it, but you never know what may happen at the hearing mate, but chin up
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| You know things are bad when Marc Green quotes gets the FA disection treatment!
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| Quote ="vbfg"Maybe we're not targeting this one.'"
If you were a Wigan fan (God forbid) all games that you have a chance of losing are irrelevant 'at this stage in the season'. When Shudds stuffed them first game it had no bearing on the season, when they were expected to get a hammering by Leeds it was a meaningless fixture 'until the business end of the season'. I suggest that approach.
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| Quote ="tigertot"If you were a Wigan fan (God forbid) all games that you have a chance of losing are irrelevant 'at this stage in the season'. When Shudds stuffed them first game it had no bearing on the season, when they were expected to get a hammering by Leeds it was a meaningless fixture 'until the business end of the season'. I suggest that approach.'"
We all know what [ibusiness[/i our end of season will look like. A steaming pile of bullbusiness.
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I don't know where the business end is in the 8x8x8 scenario. Is it the end of the regular season to decide which 8 you are in, or is it when they then start to play off? Perhaps you have more than one business end. You try to do well at the business end so as to ensure you are well placed come the business end.
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| Quote ="hindle xiii"We all know what [ibusiness[/i our end of season will look like. A steaming pile of bullbusiness.'"
So have you completely given up on the playoffs, then?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So have you completely given up on the playoffs, then?
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What is the rest of the season that ISN'T the business end called? The public sector end? Does that mean the Conservative administration would instinctively try to dismantle the rest of the season on ideological grounds?
Little bit of politics.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"And another thing.
What is the rest of the season that ISN'T the business end called? The public sector end? Does that mean the Conservative administration would instinctively try to dismantle the rest of the season on ideological grounds?
Little bit of politics.'"
The pleasure end.
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