Quote ="childofthenorthern"[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls/super-league-rivals-provide-chance-for-bradford-bulls-to-secure-future-1-4856718[/url Do you consider 3 weeks between SLE deciding on a 14 team competition and no publicly announced decision how that 14th club will be decided to be a reasonable time scale?'" Do not think it is unreasonable at all. There have been many 'shoddy' decisions made by the RFL throughout this episode. Letting a team into the 14 that could not get through 2013 and 2014 would be a further failing by the RFL so taking time to get this right seems sensible. from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A ) Indeed if the RFL suspected that OK may not have the funds to get through 2 years in SL then this delay works to the advantage of OK Bulls in the championshup, but I guess you have already worked out why that is.

Quote ="childofthenorthern"[urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls/super-league-rivals-provide-chance-for-bradford-bulls-to-secure-future-1-4856718[/url Do you consider 3 weeks between SLE deciding on a 14 team competition and no publicly announced decision how that 14th club will be decided to be a reasonable time scale?'" Do not think it is unreasonable at all. There have been many 'shoddy' decisions made by the RFL throughout this episode. Letting a team into the 14 that could not get through 2013 and 2014 would be a further failing by the RFL so taking time to get this right seems sensible. from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A ) Indeed if the RFL suspected that OK may not have the funds to get through 2 years in SL then this delay works to the advantage of OK Bulls in the championshup, but I guess you have already worked out why that is.

Quote ="Cripesginger" from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A ) .'" What "advisors"? The article does not say that, and OKs advisors were not on holiday. The reference is to "third parties". It doesn't mention "advisors". You made that up! And why anyway would the RFL need to speak to OKB's advisors as part of due diligence? right back at you, ginger!

Quote ="Cripesginger" from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A ) .'" What "advisors"? The article does not say that, and OKs advisors were not on holiday. The reference is to "third parties". It doesn't mention "advisors". You made that up! And why anyway would the RFL need to speak to OKB's advisors as part of due diligence? right back at you, ginger!

I've said before that, much as deep down I don't want to drop from SL, there is an argument for relegating ourselves and withdrawing from SL.

If we follow plan RFL, not being able to recruit with all the current uncertainty, and then spend the next two years being deducted monies and making an impossible fight to be competitive before diminishing crowds and finances, then (most probably) being ditched at the next round of tendering as not being of the right quality for SL.

OR

Do we drop down now and build from whatever we're left with, hopefully have two successful seasons in the NL and then present a strong case, hopefully built on our still strong attendances and finances for the next licensing period?

Quote ="Cripesginger"Do not think it is unreasonable at all. There have been many 'shoddy' decisions made by the RFL throughout this episode. Letting a team into the 14 that could not get through 2013 and 2014 would be a further failing by the RFL so taking time to get this right seems sensible. from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A )'" Odd as it may seem, the take over of the club is a side issue. When the SL clubs decided they wanted 14 teams is there anything that prevented the RFL from drawing up a set of procedures/rules, from that date onwards, to decide the criteria for the 14th club membership? If they have decided the rules already, now that the takeover is complete and RFL membership ratified, why haven't they announced what the rules/produce is? Incompetence, deliberately delaying or is there another possibility? If they haven't decided the rules, why not? Incompetence, deliberately delaying or is there another possibility? For what it's worth, I don't believe they are deliberately delaying and i think it's likely they want the Bulls in SL but can't just say it straight out but I haven't ruled incompetence out either.

Quote ="Cripesginger"Do not think it is unreasonable at all. There have been many 'shoddy' decisions made by the RFL throughout this episode. Letting a team into the 14 that could not get through 2013 and 2014 would be a further failing by the RFL so taking time to get this right seems sensible. from the 23rd til, at least, Sept 7th and possibly the 10th, there was a hold up because some of OKs advisors were on holiday (www.google.com/hostednews/ukpres ... 490574596A )'" Odd as it may seem, the take over of the club is a side issue. When the SL clubs decided they wanted 14 teams is there anything that prevented the RFL from drawing up a set of procedures/rules, from that date onwards, to decide the criteria for the 14th club membership? If they have decided the rules already, now that the takeover is complete and RFL membership ratified, why haven't they announced what the rules/produce is? Incompetence, deliberately delaying or is there another possibility? If they haven't decided the rules, why not? Incompetence, deliberately delaying or is there another possibility? For what it's worth, I don't believe they are deliberately delaying and i think it's likely they want the Bulls in SL but can't just say it straight out but I haven't ruled incompetence out either.

Or if we get the chance to stay in SL are we prepared to provide a higher level of support to the club financially? 10000 supporters times an extra £10 a month nearly matches the RFL distributed funds. How many would or could do that?

Afaik they are only talking about reduced central funding (sky money) not removing it entirely. So to make up shortfall could be a lot less than £10 a month. If the new owners at gave people an option to pay an extra £10-20 at time of purchasing season tickets with that extra money ringfenced to sign players we wouldnt have been able to due to the shortfall then how many would be prepared to pay the extra?.

for arguments sake say owners are prepared to speculatively spend 1.2million on squad then say anything above this level of spend would have to come from moneys raised through the voluntary extra amount on season ticket. Bit like a squadbuilder type fund which I believe is quite common in at championship level.

yeah but we apparently budgeted to lose £1.2M this year and that was with all the sky money



I agree an extra contribution is probably something that could be done and if it's guaranteed for a specific purpose then it's probably easier to promote it.

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Oh dear. Your desperation is showing little man

The last set of selection criteria clearly failed as the Bulls soon went into meltdown. The old criteria were based on a 3 year cycle. they also gave promoted sides significant advanced warning. They also have previously selected exclusively a club from the championship. Now they have to consider a newly formed team.

Much to consider. To do it better than in 2011 it may take several weeks to establish the criteria and get the assessors in place. 3 or 4 weeks does not look too bad.

They are indeed only talking about [ireducing[/i monies coming in but it's not just the Sky money, afaik it also includes any distribution from any RFL sponsorships and money from play-offs and the like and I'd be interested to learn just how much we are going to forfeit, assuming etc etc...

For my own part the answer to the original question is yes, but I've followed Northern/Bulls since the 1950s and it will take something pretty gigantic to put an end to my habit, though we all have to accept that Bradford is far from a high wage economy and there are plenty out there who will not be able to afford vast hikes in ticket prices, though I think we all realise that they are absolutely inevitable. I hope that some good deals for families, for instance, can be made

Ignoring your surprisingly childish insults, (what's "little man" all about, FFS??) no it wasn't, and your link says no such thing.

What's this "desperation", then? All I said was that OKB's advisors were not away on holiday, which they weren't, and so you were wrong. I'm struggling to see why that has got under your skin so much, but hey ho.



Oh dear. Do you go off like this in normal conversation too? I'm not sure what that tantrum even means, or why you're speaking so strangely, but your hissy doesn't change the fact that you were wrong. Deal with it.

I think that provided the fans like the look of the team we look like being able to put out, plenty will be well disposed to getting a season ticket paying same as what they paid last year. Because the fact so frequently overlooked is that for most fans, that price was [Pledge price + [£100 Panic Pledge - the net result was that in fact basically hardly anybody [iended up[/i having a particularly cheap season ticket, as it happened, and the point was that of course they were able to afford it, [iand[/i decided the extra £100 was a worthwhile use of their limited resources.

For the centre stand and Club members, I fully expect that the 2013 prices assuming we are in SL will actually be cheaper than the sum of what we all ended up paying last season.

Add to that the fact that, just at the moment, there is definitely a siege mentality behind the fans, who have been brilliant in supporting the team and the club, and OKB will benefit from that. I don't think the fans who have committed so stoically to keeping the club alive in 2012 are at all likely to then not get a ticket for SL 2013. That's just IMHO, but that's certainly how I feel.

Meant to add if people paid by DD or SO over say 4 monthly payments they could be charged an extra£10 to do so.

So the replacement team will then be judged and held to a higher standard than the other 13 teams? If the Bulls are to be relegated and another team comes in how is that even remotely fair to them. less time to prepare and a higher standard of compliance to be reached?

After 3 weeks it's unknown by any club involved (championship clubs who may be invited to apply, the Bulls, other clubs waiting for decisions from players) what the process is and how long this decision will take. The original licensing took months to review so any improved process isn't going to be completed by the end of the year.

Thats exactly what I am thinking and feeling at the moment aswell. Bizarrely I am more motivated about supporting the club now than at any point in the last few years and I don't think I'm alone. Bulls need to tap into that somehow and carry it through to next season.

Bullbuilder could also do with tapping into it now to get people signed up. Which reminds me...

Oh dear little man. You really do need to try and have a last word don't you?

Now you have to pretend you are getting under another posters skin.

Your grasp of psychology is worse than your grasp of evidence



The delay was down to OK's advisors / third parties / bankers. But you cling to your lightweight 'many people think it' explanation re the RFL...poor lil FA .....come on now show me your desperate need to have the last word...you know you have to.

I agree that a process usually taking months should not be rushed AND great care should be taken to ensure standards are fair for all.

So we can agree that expecting the RFL to create the new standards in under 3 weeks is foolish.

so RFL are not necessarily slow on this important issue.

If only you knew just how wrong you were in almost everything you said re FA above, right from the first few words!

Not being clever; just factual. As one day you might discover for yourself.

And FA ALWAYS has the last word - you really had better believe it!

I know the volume of support was great, the numbers travelling away was extremely good and there was a great bond between the fans and the players and coaching staff. But how many people were actually turning up at Odsal towards the end of the season? The actual crowds, as opposed to the announced attendances, didnt appear to be particularly large. And most of them were season ticket holders that had bought cheap tickets and might as well use them.

Similarly how many actually pledged, accepting that quite a few pledgers also donated on behalf of other members of their family?

I think it would be dangerous for OKB to plan on the basis that they would sell more than 5,000 full priced season tickets, particularly if the squad is weakened by departures.

I have read about these teenage crushes. This one you have for FA is a humdinger (is that the sort of word you kids use?). You probably think it is the real thing. But look at your gushing prose.


And that last line!

Does he really ALWAYS have the last word? Had I better believe it?

You make FA sound masterful.



I am breathless with anticipation at your next missive. I really am.

( I still believe that 'many people thinking so' is not meaningful evidence of the RFL have been slow, sorry about that.

)

There you go again, your feelings of inadequacy are a bit worrying. But no, I don't. I choose to reply to some posts, and it's a ssimple as that. You seem to be ignorant of the fact that by saying I "need to try to have the last word", you reveal only that you are miffed that your last post aimed at me wasn't "the last word".This is clear evidence (

that you're the one who sees it as somehow important. Either that, or you think your own ramblings were so inconsequential that they were not worth a reply, and therefore any reply can only be for the sake of "having the last word".

Which is it?


Incorrect. I have no knowledge whether I've got under your skin but
(a) I have ZERO interest in doing so; and
(b) I can only make deductions from your behaviour, which clearly indicates that, incidentally, I have. The toys whistling past my head from your pram are unmistakeable.


All of them, or is that your way of saying "Oh, sorry, maybe I was wrong" but can't face what you see as a climb down, so have to do a swerve?

Third parties - yes, to a point.

Bankers - well yes, but only if you blame them for being closed on a Friday night and at weekends,

Advisors - er, still no, and still not on holiday.







If you had commented on what I actually explained, and e.g. the evidence of the RFL quotes I troubled to cite, your response might at least have been worth reading.


Oops. I wasn't going to mention that sound thrashing I administered to you, but I see that got under your skin too. Let it go, man. Or, if you really can't, and feel compelled to continue with your car-crash of an argument, then I'll gently point out that it's your turn to answer, if you can, the points made. I haven't forgotten that you so far never have. Pavarotti?

Oh and I should mention that "many people think" that feet are no longer being dragged, but are indeed currently away on their toes and dipping for the line. But who knows, eh?

Now you are making yourself look, like, totally stupid. Everyone knows Adey hearts Justin Bieber. (Adey - he's a teenage pop star to save you googling it).

Curses. Cover blown. Now the buggers will expect me to buy the bloody club out of my small change.

I realised that you were nowhere near as intelligent as you (and Adeybull) think you are when your edvidence that the RFL were dragging their feet was gossip among a few players and Mick Potter. Lightwieght stuff that would be laughed at in a school debate. But you thought it was top notch and that's all that really matters...



I am glad I have not irritated you lil FA. Otherwise we would see one of your trademark posts were you go through someone's pov point by point. Each time desperate to try and gain say them. And if people do not wish to address every one of your dreary comments you seem to think there is some rule (inside your head) that they must do so. Its a tad narcissistic sweetheart.

I must say when I mentined to adeybull your 'masterful' (

)presence I could not have anticipated you would write a line like:



i am told this type of stuff is very popular in works of fiction. Is that your own line or did you borrow it from "Fifty shades of Grey"? I am sure Anabull would be very keen to know the answer.

Now, crack on. Break this post down into sentences and show us how clever you think you are, and if you are not certain ask the players and Mick Potter. HTH