I think it's rather ungenerous to be calling the rfl given all the extra help -and time- the bulls gave been given. Keighley, doncaster, Rochdale and widnes all received the maximum deduction. Wakefield were given their points deduction within a week of administration- you've had yours a month later.

Regardless you should see this as a positive as it appears as if the bid is going to be accepted and you are to stay in SL- otherwise they wouldn't bother with the points deduction. It's harsh on you fans but be grateful you still have a club in the top flight.

Simply not true. The points deduction is for the 2012 season. The RFL have already stated that they will get the Bulls through the 2012 season so the points deduction should go ahead. If another team failed to get a play off place because the points were not docked there would have been serious problems among SL clubs. It has no bearing on the RFL response to the 'bid'.

So, there isn't??

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So is there an Operational Rule with an automatic 6 point deduction, or isn't there?'" here try this from another thread The points were deducted under RFL Operational Rule 4, details of which are on Page 119 of the 2012 RFL Official Guide, which can also be viewed by visiting www.therfl.co...erational_rules

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So is there an Operational Rule with an automatic 6 point deduction, or isn't there?'" here try this from another thread The points were deducted under RFL Operational Rule 4, details of which are on Page 119 of the 2012 RFL Official Guide, which can also be viewed by visiting www.therfl.co...erational_rules

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p 119 doesn't mention "points"

Yes, but we didn't get any help from the RFL regarding extensions or wage paying, or any help from clubs i.e the money from ticket sales where as Bradford have, and we also sold 3 of our players (Obst, Millard and Ferguson) in the administration, where as Bradford havn't and not used the money they could have got from the player sales, to pay of any debt.

However put that aside, I hope that you get your future sorted and get back to been a viable rugby league club (like 2005!)

So some administrations are more administration than others? So Wakey and Crusaders were less in administration than we are?

Wakey and Crusaders managed to pay some of their creditors,the Bulls haven't,hence a 6 point deduction.
BULLS STATEMENT REGARDING POINTS DEDUCTION

Bradford Bulls have today reacted to the six points deduction imposed by the RFL for entering Administration.
Bulls Interim CEO Gary Tasker said:

“We expected a deduction of points by the RFL and we of course accept that penalty. We are not yet in a position to be able to offer any recompense to our Creditors and as such a six point deduction was what we expected.

You can't jump up and down and simply point at wakey and crusaders and ignore Doncaster, Keighley, rochdale and widnes. (didn't widnes get 9 points which was equivalent to three wins!)
Wakey were in debt to £300,000- bulls have got themselves into a much bigger financial hole. It's not the players or the fans fault-those at fault have cleared off after taking your cash! The rfl have done much more for bulls than they did for any other club facing this- Clearly the consortium is not willing to pay off debts and players are not being sold to do so thetefore the maximum penalty has been given-you can't have it all ways.

doesn't the tax man have a say in things? seeing as i pay my tax i would expect them to accept all they are owed from the bulls ! it isn't my fault that they didn't pay the tax..selling players would get some money in to repay creditors..bulls should be forced to do this.

I couldn't agree more .... sell players and pay debts!

Martyn Sadler?? Is this the same Martyn Sadler that's in the back pocket of the "RFL"??

I don't follow how a max point deduction for entering administration correlates to potentially paying the staff.
As for tax man wouldn't he be the first in line for payment. If they get told as u say to shove it, couldn't they put the club into liquidation

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your right. point 4.7 covers RFLs ability to apply a sporting sanction but doesnt actually specify it. It was pretty widely referred to at time of Wakey and Crusaders administration so just assumed it was specified in op rules somewhere. Could it be one of these 'understandings' rather than actual rules?, like the rule about Video refs not being able to talk to match official which caught us out at millenium magic which turned out to be more a guideline than a rule?.

It seems to be the case that whatever happens most of the Bulls' creditors are going to be significantly out of pocket.

In those circumstances you should accept the points deduction with good grace. If it means you miss out on the play offs (and it doesn't necessarily mean that) then its too bad.

Surely the important thing is that the Bulls are in SL next season. I for one hope you are.

Err... Basic maths must be lacking over in Huddersfield. 6 points = 3 wins in SL, so in real terms we've been hit with the same penalty as Widnes.

Exactly my point!

Same cretins and morons who bailed you out in first place by buying the lease ?.Ungrateful and hypocrisy spring to mind.Anybody with any sense knew you were looking at maximum points,mainly due to the fact that throughout all this your club/administrator has never once mentioned paying any creditors. The sole focus has been on retaining the same set up which got you into this whole damn mess in the first place ! players you can't afford chasing the mythical pot of gold.After begging from every Tom Dick and Harry perhaps a little humility wouldn't go amiss, but again, the lack of this is probably a contributing factor to where you are now ? The sob story won't work forever and people are getting tired of the Superleague will fall apart without Bradford nonsense.

I always struggle to see how a points deduction is a penalty for entering administration as it does nothing more than penalise the players, coaching staff and fans. The actual business end of the club were the reasons this came to head and the performance of players and staff are discredited by a points deduction. It's like passing your driving test with flying colours but getting 6 minors because your instructor didn't clean the car.

Anyway still 2 points from the play offs, we need to keep our current momentum (minus the Leeds result) and reach the play offs. Or at least make Catalan for the trip away.

Disappointing but no point moaning about it, they can take the points off us but they cannot take away some of the excellent perfromances we have witnessed this year. If the players continue to pull together then we have an outside chance of still making the 8.

Would have preferred 4 points to keep in the running can't moan just got to get on with it, if the RFL reject the offer from ABC the i will moan.

Fook me, now the Wakey lot are sending trained clapping chimps


Well, yes!




Oh look, what have we here, a self-confessed Wakey version of a glory hunter (I believe they call them "an occasional win now and again hunter" who deserted his "own" club at its time of need and sneaked back in when things became less dire. Hypocrisy? Well, you certainly should know.

I could go on but clearly you're too stupid to even know that the administrator can't start paying off creditors, and that "our club", er, can't, given that it's in administration. Oh - and btw when we had a club that wasn't in administration, it had reportedly come to a deal with its creditors. But I shouldn't let the facts get anywhere near your drivel.


That's right. How dare ABC have got us into this mess?

The basstards. But (keep this to yourself, mind) I think that Hood and his board's days may be numbered.

Heard strong rumour from media friend in leeds that 6 points was because you are likely to fold and form newco in Champs but not SL ?

So the point of deducting points would be...?