I fear we all do.

Wigan fan in peace and I wholly agree with the above. Red, SOS.

Great effort lads, thought you were going to win cos you seemed to want it more than us.

Wish you well for the rest of the season.

got to say that thought crossed my mind too. how could tomkins be in control of grounding the ball while unconscious?.

that said be surprised if any further action is taken. correct decision to send raynor off but SOS fir a reckless tackle imo.

I thought he was out. He was only a few feet off the floor though and his arms didnt have time to leave the ball. Plus his body seemed to ground the ball, then his arms fell away. Or am I wrong? I really need to see a replay

OK, I have just seen the replay and I was some way off



He grounded it though with his forearm as he fell to ground.

Just watched the game again and I will now change my view to yes it was a red card but should be sending off sufficent at the RFL hearing on Tuesday as we have paid the price by losing the game.

But watching it in real time live I would never have said "get the red card out Ganson".

I said to the tigress yesterday (showing her the picture after the Cas game) how much you had grown on here (assuming you weren't constantly trolling), this confirms it. I don't think I have ever seen anyone swing to dislodge the ball & miss by 2 feet. As Davies? said, only Raynor knows for sure where he was aiming. As much as Tomkins deserves snotting it was a straight red. A shame that it also distracts from a wonderful bit of running from him.

I hope I don't grow anymore Brian as I already take up two seats on the press bench

In real time, no-one batted an eyelid. Not the Wigan fans at the game, the commentary team, no-one. Not until they watched the replay did everyone start frothing. So without the video=no sending off.

Dont I know it!

Excuse me but you were the one eating Curry, Pizza, Poppadoms and anything you sneaked down your gob while I went to the loo



I want paying for doing the BBC Manchester commentary today, have you seen my cheque by any chance?

It was annoying as hell



Apart from Dave Woods the BBC really need to take a look at their comms IMO. I know of 2 who are available most weekends too!

Oh, and out of all the media rooms I have been to so far, Bradford do the best food by far

I'll give the bloke a fair play award for doing it but when I'm having to put fingers up as to who has scored and explaining that the try hasn't been given yet and that's in the hands of Silverwood then maybe it's time to call it a day.

Agree about Dave Woods though, always the astute professionalist.

Why didn't Ganson award a penalty for this?

that was a bit of a mystery to me too.

I believe it was because Tomkins actually scored so in effect it wasn't a penalty try (the offence didn't prevent a try being scored).

Say for example if a try had been scored and someone got hit off the ball they wouldn't get a penalty after the try but the offence would be punished by red/yellow card if it was picked up by the ref/linesman.

Does that make sense? Probably not!!

I don't know the rules exactly but the commentators were saying about being fouled in the act of scoring should be an "8 pointer" try.

what you say does make sense though.

Is this something you are in favour of then? Otherwise I'm not sure of your point.


A penalty try is only awarded if it prevents a try being scored. An 8 point try (I think) is only awarded if the offence takes place as the try is being scored, not before. I presume that was Ganson's interpretation.

Given Raynor has a pretty clean disciplinary record, I can't believe that he had any intention of injuring Tomkins. He was attacking the football, but his timing and Tomkins dive towards the line resulted in an injury.

I think an on report and 10 minutes for Raynor for a careless tackle would have been a fairer call rather than a straight red.

Is what something I am in favour of?
The vast majority of games have no video ref at them so in those Raynor would have been on report as no-one saw it. When it was slowed down so you could see Raynor lining up Tomkins chin as he ran in from 50m away it looked worse.



So Raynor's offense did not take place as the try was being scored? Mmmm. I wonder how much closer you have to be to get the 8 point try awarded.

So anyone swinging a fist, missing the ball by 2 feet & knocking the opposition player out should just get a yellow?

No, but you've got to take it into context...When a player is diving in for a try and cannot be tackled the defender should aim for the ball carrying arm.

Unfortunately he missed.

yes, he missed but he punched tomkins in the head and knocked him out. that's the risk he took and he ended up sent off. just how it goes.

So he should have stood there and done nothing?
And had he not knocked him out - then what? No charge?

Lynch should have gone down against Halifax then...