Because they are both a bit risky.

Ainscough has been dropped at Wigan and still has alot to prove.

Ah Van is yet to really make it at the top grade and will also need to improve to hold down a place.

No he isnt a reject, nobody has rejected him. He's asked for a release for a new opportunity. So what if he's played once, have you seen NZ Warriors backline? He's also played 50+ NRL games, thats good going for most Antipodean youngsters. Who do you think we should have signed instead, which English players?

ATEOD, Mick Potter, will have seen every game Ah Van has played, or a hell of a lot, through video footage, and probably a lot more viewing time than you of PAV, so I'll trust his judgement given his records as a proven 1st grade coach.

For the record, if theres good enough English talent around, it will shine and if theres any at Bradford then it may keep Patrick Ah Van out, although I seriously doubt it.

think both on 1yr deals to prove themselfs think both will have option of another couple of years in there if they go well that the club can trigger if both play out of there skins

Out of interest, would you include Peter Cusack in that group?

I'm certain you'll include Motu Tony, who held back Shaun Briscoe.

Don't forget those young, British prospects named O' Meley and Fitzgibbon. Oh wait...

What about Sam Moa?

Yep, we can include him in there too.

I wouldn't necessarily include Fitzgibbon & O'Meley, just because the Hull gentleman here is referring to players who haven't been "top class", whereas those two have been in Australia.

I would certainly think though that our friend here will be against the likes of Cusack & Moa stopping the development of young props at Hull, along with how Motu Tony stopped Shaun Briscoe becoming the player he has become since being first choice at K.R..

Lauaki too perchance?


Not trying cause argument or disparage the players I have mentioned, I'm honestly interested to see how he feels about those players, considering his views on Ah Van.

We have a limited number of quota spots.

We have chosen to fill one of them with this guy.

What is the problem?

If we'd've signed a forward would we be holding back a young British forward? Or if we signed a half back would we be holding back a young British half back? You're logic dictates that any overseas player brought in to fill a quota spot is detrimental to a British player. The only way around this seems to be to put a complete ban on any overseas player and not give the fans the oppotunity to see some fantastic players being developed over here. Surely it's better to bring a youngster in with a point to prove rather than an older player looking for a big pay day?

On the subject of Ah Van btw, I'd like to see the club resist the temptation to give him the number 5 shirt. Purely because by doing that, people will immediately compare him with Big Les.

Be far better off to let him have number 2 and our other first choice winger (be it Ainscough, Halley, Finigan or A.N. Other) take the number 5 shirt.

The sight of a large kiwi Number 5 will just make people think if he's not as good as Lesley Vainikolo, he's not good enough.


Some may consider it a small thing, but I guarantee it will have a mental effect on some fans seeing that number on him.

Must agree, the Warriors backline is already impressive, plus the signing of Krisnan Inu from the Eels will bring the lad less of a chance of making the first team, so he has looked elsewhere.

Should give him a chance to prove himself before judgeing. The good thing is he is young, and if he does set SuperLeague on fire, then he could be ours for a very long time. Hopefully.

Stats for Patrick Ah Van www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... eamid=3498

Stats for Patrick Ah Van www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... eamid=3498

I know it's only one game, but it is his most recent

Total minutes played: 80, Sin Bin: 0, Send off: 0, Try: 1, Goals: 0, Field Goals: 0, Points: 4, Total Runs: 12, Total Metres: 122, Tackle Busts: 2, Linebreaks: 0, Linebreak assists: 0, Try Assists: 0, Offloads: 0, Handling Errors: 0, Penalties Conceded: 1, Total Kicks: 0, Kick Metres: 0, Tackles Made: 8, Tackles Missed: 0

No missed tackles, no errors, a couple of busts, about 10 mpc. Not bad from that.

Peter Cusack played in 4 NRL grand finals and won a premiership. Motu Tony had played 18 times for NZ he wasn't exactly unproven.


Can you name me a better impact forward from England? Or indeed any English impact forward?

So your point is - its ok to sign foreign players, as long as they play for your lot. Got it.

No, my point is it's ok to sign foreign players who can give you something that no one British can.

And the only one on your list thus was, according to you, Fat Sam?

do you find people don't understand you when you sit down? if so it's probably something to do with the fact the you are talking out of you're ar$e.

People offer other assets. Experience and leadership are big reasons, I can gurantee you Fitzgibbon and O'Meley have brought players on and will leave a positive impact on the English game. Can you name me an avaliable prop who has played in 4 grand finals? Or a prop who had played over 200 games including 27 rep games? Or a loose forward who has played over 300 games including 35 rep games?

ATEOTD we'll see to me plenty of English players would offer just as much as this guy who no one has even heard of.

I can name lots of British forwards that have bigger impact than Sam Moa and I am pretty sure you could aswell, but I CBA right now.
And now you're trying to tell us that there's no British forward that can provide the same impact as Sam Moa.

Can you give me the names? The fact England have drafted in Big Maurie from Saints and Willie Manu from us show how much explosive impact English forwards can give.

Like who?

Who is available and willing to come to Bradford.

And if you haven't heard of him, you can't have seen him play so how do you even know what he offers?

What about Lauaki????? Does he come under the same category?

Precisely.

My question was purely to see how much bias he showed. If bias wasn't shown, I'll continue to discuss it.

Since it's clear that his argument doesn't count against Hull players in the same mould, I'm going to ignore him and treat him as a troll.

Kiwi blood back at Odsal

, i hope he turns out to be another Hape/Withers type signing.

absolutely correct as platt will be going to salford as part of deal that brings ratchford to bulls.

I hope we don't lose Platt at all, he's been quality this year and will only improve.

(I know it was a joke, I just think Platt deserves alot of praise)