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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"What did Tansey do to warrant a sin binning?'"
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| Quote ="Highlander"The other difference Orford might have made is the coaching.
What we saw last night was pure Mcnamara, undiluted by orford. It was dull. As has been said before, hull were not that impressive and a bit more composure near their line (and a tansey sinbinning early doors) would have got us into a winning position. I have had the feeling this season that our better performances have started with Mcnamara's plan which has then been adjusted/improved upon by orford once he has actually seen what the opposition are doing.'"
You can have the best gameplan in the world but if your forwards do not push the forward and dominate you very rarely win the game. People can moan all they like about our backline being poor and we didn't create anything but unless they have time and space they face a near impossible task.
Obviously a player like Orford brings an input to our gameplan as will a few senior players but it's doubtful we would have won even with him last night.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"May be need of a stopwatch though - according to mine, there was some mystery time added to the first half. Maybe it was just a case of playing on until they scored? Or was there a time warp?'"
If you'd have looked over your right shoulder you'd have seen the official game clock like they have at all games now
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| Quote ="AaronBull"Hull were there for the taking tonight. We've played 6 games with Orford in the side and have rarely looked anymore creative than we did tonight, so that doesn't wash with me.
We just haven't got the spark, the execution that was promised. Defensively, we actually look decent. We just look too devoid of options to beat someone at the moment.'" Completely agree.
If we look at the number of halves of rugby in which Bradford have failed to score more than 1 try...
Vs Huddersfield (2nd half = 1 try)
Vs Saints (1st half = 0 try)
Vs Saints (2nd half = 1 try)
Vs Salford (1st half = 1 try)
Vs Salford (2nd half = 0 try)
Vs Wigan (1st half = 0 try)
Vs Warrington (2nd half = 0 try)
Vs Hull (1st half = 0 try)
Vs Hull (2nd half = 1 try)
...9 from 14! It shows just how easily our impotent attack is being bottled up.
People often say that in modern rugby league 6/12/18/24 points is not alot and can be scored pretty quickly. However, even with "ok" defence the complete lack of cutting edge means that a 6 or 12 point deficit is usually going to be decisive, no matter how many minutes are remaining.
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| I thought Bradford were poor last night. Kearney looked like he was on his own at times, nobody else looked interested. In the first half it was abit of an arm wrestle but after we scored early in the second half you were barely in the game, and all we had to do was just see our sets out. Obviously you will have missed Orford last night, but if thats all you have to offer without him, then I would be concered as Bradford fan.
Mcnamara is a joke, he should have been shown the door a long long time ago, and as long as he's at the helm I'm afraid to say I dont think you are going to trouble many teams.
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| Quote ="super_fc"I thought Bradford were poor last night. Kearney looked like he was on his own at times, nobody else looked interested. In the first half it was abit of an arm wrestle but after we scored early in the second half you were barely in the game, and all we had to do was just see our sets out. Obviously you will have missed Orford last night, but if thats all you have to offer without him, then I would be concered as Bradford fan.
Mcnamara is a joke, he should have been shown the door a long long time ago, and as long as he's at the helm I'm afraid to say I dont think you are going to trouble many teams.'"
As a bradford fan i am not worried.
We have a team that will take a long time to gel, a new 6,7 and 9 don`t gel over night, and we have lost a lot of players over the years.
As you know yourselves you had a very disappoiting season last year and you have turned corners, and we will too `Faith`
Orford was a very big lost to us but when half of your team is croaked (stomach bug) its obvious that we were not at the races and this isn`t an excuse you were the best team on the night.
And for macca if the rumours are true we may have a new coach next year.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"What most people didn't know was that Orford was the worst case, but half the squad have been down with a bug this week and it is no wonder we weren't at our peak. Thought the try on the stroke of half time was a killer, but in the circumstances, and losuy conditions, we went OK. The reason we didn;t score wasn't at least that we didn't create any chances -we had quite a few.
Thought the young lads went especially well, and that is encouraging. But we do need Orford, especially going to places llike Hull, who have bought well. Fitzgibbon in particular was very good.
No need for suicides just yet.
May be need of a stopwatch though - according to mine, there was some mystery time added to the first half. Maybe it was just a case of playing on until they scored? Or was there a time warp?'"
no there wasnt, the actual clock that times the halves thats situated in NW corner was on 40 mins when the hooter went, Thaler was stopping the clock constantly, you were prob looking at the clock in SW corner. THE ACTUAL STADIUM CLOCK> not the one which all grounds are obliged to have.
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| Our back line is lacking. I shows just how much we need a player like Les, TV or Tadulala. Someone we can get near the try line and get us the 4 points.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Fact is while the 1st choice pack is ok and the halfbacks pretty good we lack anything special in the backline and we have no impact off the bench. That's a recipe for mediocrity. I happen to think that mediocrity is an improvement on last year! One things for sure there is plenty of effort for the most part. '"
I'm watching Hudds and trying to work out why they are currently so good. They have no world class players, obviously a number of excellent players, good depth, and several who will play for England, Cudjoe is a great prospect but Deacon could have scored his hat trick if he had any pace. So what's the difference? All I can put it down to is exceptional coaching, and I am not being critical of Macca, there is just another level and I do not think there are any GB coaches of that calibre.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I'm pretty sure McNamara will be off at the end of the year so the coaching is less of an issue to me at the moment.'"
That's some statement Sam.......you seem pretty sure about that?
Is that what you hope or are you on the inside track (from an info POV)?
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"That's some statement Sam.......you seem pretty sure about that?
Is that what you hope or are you on the inside track (from an info POV)?'"
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| Wouldn't it be usual for a new contract to have been agreed by now? I mean, not long to go, and everyone makes plans, don't they?
As I said, I don't think much at all can be deduced from the Hull game due to squad illness, but in general, I reckon we now have the worst backline in Sheriffe, Nero, Sykes and reardon in SL by some way. Sheriffe has come on a bundle but that was starting from schiiiite, Nero I hoped would be very good as he was back to his best a lot of last year but he is not a factor, Sykes is a liability and Reardon is like a lost soul out on the wing. If Crossley eventually becomes an SL back it won't be this season so that's the reason why we aren't and won't be scoring many bunches of tries. Not sure what we could have done about it pre-season given financial straits though, but watching our backline "attack" is no fun at all.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" Sheriffe has come on a bundle but that was starting from schiiiite, .'" agree
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Nero I hoped would be very good as he was back to his best a lot of last year but he is not a factor, .'"
I don't know what the problem is there, He can and hopefully will play a lot better Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Sykes is a liability .'" Now that there is competition in the shape of Platt - one or other of them should reach a level of competence at centre Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"and Reardon is like a lost soul out on the wing.'" I thought that was his best game so far this season
A win against Quins is now a must - everyone else is doing it!
It will give us 50% win ratio, 3/4 wins at home. Slightly better than last year which is the bare minimum for most fans.
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| Quote ="dixie"
Can't see many fans being at all happy if he got offered a new contract.'"
Surely that depends on how we do this season?
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| I must have watched a different side to some people because far from being a liability, I think Sykes is having his best season for us. In fact alongside Sheriffe he's been our top back.
I'd be very tempted to try Platt and Reardon together next week and see how that goes. Perhaps having somebody with Platt's pace beside Reardon would allow them to switch between centre and wing during the game. I'd like to see Reardon play a bit of centre where he can make a bust and offload to his wing.
And I would still bring in Lesley! I'd have fancied him to score a try in a game like the one on Fri. We've missed having someone out wide who can score through brute force.
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"That's some statement Sam.......you seem pretty sure about that?
Is that what you hope or are you on the inside track (from an info POV)?'"
It's what I fully expect. After over 4 years in charge there will be a change. I'd be utterly amazed if he got a new deal.
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| I think after 4/5 years most teams tend to have made a change in coach anyway for whatever reason. It is the exception rather than the norm for a coach to stay much longer at one club alone.
Question is, what Coach can we attract with similar funds available. Will we make more resources available to that Head Coach for more backroom staff? I get the impression that McNamara takes on more workload then some coaches in SL who have more staff to delegate out to!
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"
Surely that depends on how we do this season?'"
Well yes, but given how the previous 3 seasons have gone, plusthis season so far Macca would need an amazing run of results for a lot of fans to be be at all happy with him signing a new contract ( maybe a challenge cup win ).
Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I must have watched a different side to some people because far from being a liability, I think Sykes is having his best season for us. In fact alongside Sheriffe he's been our top back.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Question is, what Coach can we attract with similar funds available. Will we make more resources available to that Head Coach for more backroom staff? I get the impression that McNamara takes on more workload then some coaches in SL who have more staff to delegate out to!'"
Indeed. And there you have the crux of it. And until we get a very large financial monkey off our backs, that's likely to be the ongoing constraint.
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| Quote ="dixie"I think Sykes is performing well too. His tackling has been very good.'"
Yup - him and Rikki easily our two most improved players, I'd say?
Can't be attributed to successful player coaching though, can it? Its only the ones who are underperforming that are down to the coaching?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Yup - him and Rikki easily our two most improved players, I'd say?
Can't be attributed to successful player coaching though, can it? Its only the ones who are underperforming that are down to the coaching?'"
Probably. Lee St Hilaire must be doing wonders.
Rikki's improvement has been huge. I've always thought Sykes was quite good if a little error prone. Scruton has improved too since coming to the club.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Yup - him and Rikki easily our two most improved players, I'd say?
Can't be attributed to successful player coaching though, can it? Its only the ones who are underperforming that are down to the coaching?'"
I reckon it must be Matt Orford...
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| A top 6 finish and a semi final would be enough to get him a new contract imo.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"A top 6 finish and a semi final would be enough to get him a new contract imo.'"
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| Quote ="dixie"...
Rikki's improvement has been huge. I've always thought Sykes was quite good if a little error prone. Scruton has improved too since coming to the club.'"
Let's get Scruton out of the way first. He has started the season like a house on fire, and looks a top forward, by any standard.
As I said and agree, Sheriffe has worked hard and is far better than he was. Giving him the benefit of the doubt this also means there is scope for continued improvement.
Sykes is, indeed quite good if error prone. Though again I accept he could improve his game still.
And that's my point. Without sitting down and analysing it, off the top of my head I doubt there are many SL backlines that I wouldn't swop for ours. "Quite good" doesn't hack it. They are overfaced by most opposition, frequently caught out on the flanks, often struggle to cope with kicks and bombs, and don't run out of defence to any great effect. And yes, Sheriffe once a flood has done some good runs out of defence, but I'm wanting a couple a natch at least and some decent hit-ups.
Reardon shouldn't be on the wing anyway - but that's another story - but for a man quite recently described (by Cullen) as the best kick returner in SL - WTF has happened to him? And how many times is he going to get suckered off his wing while his opposing winger walks in for a score?
I don't think they "are" the worst backs in SL, if they all played their best it might overall be a mid-table standard back division, but they are not, as a unit, consistently playing anything like. One might have a decent game but let down by the other three.
Thank fsck we have a very decent set of forwards, and some true potential at halfback.
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