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| Quote ="Cibaman"I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. Players put their bodies on the line every time they take to the field. If they are injured in the process they shouldnt lose their livelihood.
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It's a nice sentiment, however it's just not feasable in the modern game. The salary cap as it means clubs have to watch their spending and a player who can't play is just so much dead weight. Sorry if that that seems harsh but that's the way of the world
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| Quote ="SDB"Do we know where this whole "training" thing is gonna end up? Because surely when you sign a contract it is to "Play for the Bulls?" And then there is this 26 weeks release clause or whatever? Does that mean that aslong as a player can train he is still fullfilling his contract, regardless of whether or not he is training at his maximum and to the same level as the team. Yeah he may not warrent a place but in my opinion if he cant train with the squad he's not training! Bradfords eagerness to release him suggests to me there is something occuring inside Odsal. Im wondering just how good a half back your willing to pay for......'"
I did see Tupou, a couple of weeks ago at the gym at Bradford Uni, i know its not full time training but its a start!
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| Quote ="steamingbull02"I did see Tupou, a couple of weeks ago at the gym at Bradford Uni, i know its not full time training but its a start!'"
I appreciate he may be training but I just don't understand what constitutes as "training." But then the RFL are taking a week to decide what it is.....My thoughts are though that its all well and good saying your training and then doing a few bench presses in the gym but although Yes its training, its not actually training (I know thats a confusing sentance!) For me if your training your out there with the players, doing everything the other members of the Squad are doing. I dont think Tupou is at this stage and I think realistically he needs to be sold to Wakefield to get some revenge on them for selling you Jefferies
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| Quote ="Cibaman"I do find this strange. I've always believed that if a player is injured the club should honour his contract. ..'"
They have done, and argue they are doing. The question is whether the contract means what the Bulls argue, or whether it means what Tupou argues. Sounds like a pish-poorly drafted contract if "training" is relevant, but is not defined. On which basis I won't be surprised if we lose the argument under benefit of the doubt.
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| It sounds like Tupou is undergoing some sort of training regime - like lifting weights in the gym at the Uni. That shouldn't be a surprise - people who undergo surgery and then begin rehabilitation could - in some sense - be said to be 'training' within a week or two after the surgery
But that hardly constitutes training in any real Rugby League sense i.e 'in' training with the squad, doing all the various routines and having actual contact with others.
In any case, I thought the rule was that a contract could be cancelled if a player was unavailable for 26 weeks - whereas Tupou has been unavailable for 38 weeks already (that becomes 39 as of this weekend). It's not as if the Bulls have tried to pull the plug on the exact date, he's had an extra three months to get fit enough to play. I hope that this is taken into consideration in the eventual ruling.
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| They probably also want to take into consideration that while the sports centre is being rebuilt the gym at the uni is the least well equipped in the western hemisphere. He'll have at least an hour of enforced recovery time between machines.
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| Can we expect further news today? The RFL were making to be taking a week to consider what constitutes training.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Can we expect further news today? The RFL were making to be taking a week to consider what constitutes training.'"
Ah, but what constitutes a week?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Ah, but what constitutes a week?'"
The RFL aren't sure so will be taking a week to discuss what a week is and at the end of the week they're going to have a vote. And some of them might abstane
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"The RFL aren't sure so will be taking a week to discuss what a week is and at the end of the week they're going to have a vote. '"
Ah, but what constitutes a vote?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Ah, but what constitutes a vote?'"
Shall we have a vote on it?
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| Quote ="debaser"Shall we have a vote on it?'"
Risky that, wouldn't we need to put it out to consultation first?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Risky that, wouldn't we need to put it out to consultation first?'"
Good idea, but what constitutes consultation? Maybe we need a focus group first to consult on the constitution of consultation?
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| Quote ="Duckman"Good idea, but what constitutes consultation? Maybe we need a focus group first to consult on the constitution of consultation?'"
Aye but we will need a committee to ensure the focus group is diverse enough to represent every ethnic background and their views on the subject .
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| Quote ="Mystic Leper"Aye but we will need a committee to ensure the focus group is diverse enough to represent every ethnic background and their views on the subject .'"
Hmmm, trixy, that; who will select the members of the committee?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Hmmm, trixy, that; who will select the members of the committee?'"
Let's vote them on .........................oh, hang on ...
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Hmmm, trixy, that; who will select the members of the committee?'"
It's obvious really since it affects the future financial planning and playing staff of Bradford it's got to be an anonymous group from Leeds.
Oh hang on that's what's really happening isn't it?
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| Do we know when the RFL will be announcing what they believe constitutes "Training" with regards to Tupou?
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| Quote ="SDB"Do we know when the RFL will be announcing what they believe constitutes "Training" with regards to Tupou?'"
They are having a vote to decide what day they should announce it, followed by a vote to decide who.
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| They have been announcing it pretty well all week in training, although one of them is carrying a tonsil injury, but are hoping they can translate this into a decent announcement on the day.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"They have been announcing it pretty well all week in training, although one of them is carrying a tonsil injury, but are hoping they can translate this into a decent announcement on the day.'"
Or is it training? They are still undecided whether the talking practice they are doing constitutes training or indeed if it is rehearsal.
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| Quote ="debaser"Or is it training? They are still undecided whether the talking practice they are doing constitutes training or indeed if it is rehearsal.'"
Which means that they will need to adjourn consideration of the making of the announcement for a week while they decide what constitutes training.
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| Quote ="SDB"I appreciate he may be training but I just don't understand what constitutes as "training." But then the RFL are taking a week to decide what it is.....My thoughts are though that its all well and good saying your training and then doing a few bench presses in the gym but although Yes its training, its not actually training (I know thats a confusing sentance!) For me if your training your out there with the players, doing everything the other members of the Squad are doing. I dont think Tupou is at this stage and I think realistically he needs to be sold to Wakefield to get some revenge on them for selling you Jefferies
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If you look at the definition of "Training", then it is quite obvious that the Bulls should consider matters With respect, "your thoughts" are not any use - the definition is very clear !
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| do anyone else think that, because we haven’t heard anything and last weeks team sheet news and this weeks bullseye both included "and long term knee injury victim Tame Tupou is also not available", We lost the Tribunal and are trying to gloss over it?
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| Quote ="MQBlank"do anyone else think that, because we haven’t heard anything and last weeks team sheet news and this weeks bullseye both included "and long term knee injury victim Tame Tupou is also not available", We lost the Tribunal and are trying to gloss over it?'"
Or maybe still awaiting a decision. The RFL are bound to publicise it when it comes about as it could potentially influence future cases.
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