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| Quote ="Visage"I think the club probably have, it's the fans I think, feel cheated over the whole episode.'"
The club should too. I know it wouldn't happen, but do you reckon they'd have given their "blessing" if he'd signed for Leeds and got in the back door?
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| Quote ="Chris28"The club should too. I know it wouldn't happen, but do you reckon they'd have given their "blessing" if he'd signed for Leeds and got in the back door?'"
Much in the same way that Hetherington has yet to call the Catalans a disgrace to Rugby League you mean?
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| Quote ="Visage"I think the club probably have, it's the fans I think, feel cheated over the whole episode.'"
No, I don't think they do. But I think they would if the Border Agency decided suddenly he's not so bad a sort after all, and let him in to play [iagainst [/ius, despite him being too undesirable a character to be admitted to play [ifor[/ius.
Because of that absurd result, I really don't think they would open themselves up to obvious ridicule by overruling their own decision in that way.
Though it has been the case for years now that nothing, absolutely [inothing[/i that this "goverment" did should surprise us, corrupt, lying, incompetent shower of nest-lining, self-serving, deceitful thieves that they are.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Though it has been the case for years now that nothing, absolutely [inothing[/i that this "goverment" did should surprise us, corrupt, lying, incompetent shower of nest-lining, self-serving, deceitful thieves that they are.'"
Thought you were a master of accuracy and detail? You missed out self-deluding, hypocritical, scheming, cheating, faithless, reactive, betraying-of-principles, abandoning-of-roots, unprincipled, history-rewriting and absolutely thoroughly useless, if I recall?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Thought you were a master of accuracy and detail? You missed out self-deluding, hypocritical, scheming, cheating, faithless, reactive, betraying-of-principles, abandoning-of-roots, unprincipled, history-rewriting and absolutely thoroughly useless, if I recall?'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"No, not in the case (yet) of our border controls on aliens - which Bird is, French visa or no French visa.'"
If you had bothered to read the previous statement you would have seen that I was reffering to restriction of trade, EU law, and not visa restrictions, UK Law
Or should I assume that Bulls don't read things properly?
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| Told you...
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| Quote ="cymraegrhino"Or should I assume that Bulls don't read things properly?'"
It's a fair bet that they don't read at all.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Hey, no need to get all indignant. Your restraint of trade point is an interesting one, but the post I replied to was specifically your claim that the EU Court (sic) overrides any party states national law. This was, of course, dealing with the precise opposite of your previous post which you made clear was talking about the position "irrespective of national laws".'"
My apologies, to get things straight the EU can override ANY party states national law Including Sovereignty laws. The European court is the highest in the land as the Single European Act of 1972 was enshrined within UK law in 1972. I don't think they would be interested in altering UK visa restrictions without serious cause, however, The EU's anti competition laws are very strict, and binding, and the RFL santioning this move would be considered a restraint of trade on the other 13 Super League club's
I hope this clears the ambiguity up.
Have a nice day
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| Quote ="cymraegrhino"I hope this clears the ambiguity up.
Have a nice day'"
It certainly clears up the ambiguity concerning your status as a c*ck.
And you tries the legal joke once and didn't get a bite because it wasn't funny. There was no need to try again.
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| Quote ="Stul"It certainly clears up the ambiguity concerning your status as a c*ck.
And you tries the legal joke once and didn't get a bite because it wasn't funny. There was no need to try again.'"
Now then small child where was the second legal joke that I Tried?
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| Quote ="cymraegrhino"My apologies, to get things straight the EU can override ANY party states national law Including Sovereignty laws. The European court is the highest in the land as the Single European Act of 1972 was enshrined within UK law in 1972. '"
Again, no it cannot. Absolutely not.
The European Court can judicially review a decision of a UK court, and can rule the decision inconsistent with the Treaties. This then means that the UK has to take the necessary action to achieve consistency.
This is NOT overriding national law. The UK Parliament has decided to arrange its affairs in this way, an therefore a decision of a UK Court which is inconsistent with the Treaties is against the will of Parliament, and should not have been made. The European Court's function in judicially reviewing this is to point out the error.
And even then, this state of affairs only subsists because the UK Parliament created it in passing the 1972 Act. If it chose to, it could abolish the Act tomorrow.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Again, no it cannot. Absolutely not.
The European Court can judicially review a decision of a UK court, and can rule the decision inconsistent with the Treaties. This then means that the UK has to take the necessary action to achieve consistency.
This is NOT overriding national law. The UK Parliament has decided to arrange its affairs in this way, an therefore a decision of a UK Court which is inconsistent with the Treaties is against the will of Parliament, and should not have been made. The European Court's function in judicially reviewing this is to point out the error.
And even then, this state of affairs only subsists because the UK Parliament created it in passing the 1972 Act. If it chose to, it could abolish the Act tomorrow.'"
I apologise, if you says thats true I believe you, but to abolish the act would then mean that we would have to give up our status as member state of the European Union.
How do you feel on the restriction of trade issue?
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| Quote ="cymraegrhino"... the Single European Act of 1972 was enshrined within UK law in 1972. '"
Did I miss a piece of important legislation somewhere along the way? I recall the European Communities Act, 1972, being signed - I'm not too young to remember that - but the Single European Act I recall was signed in 1986?
Of course, I'm a beancounter not a lawyer so I could be wrong...
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Did I miss a piece of important legislation somewhere along the way? I recall the European Communities Act, 1972, being signed - I'm not too young to remember that - but the Single European Act I recall was signed in 1986?
Of course, I'm a beancounter not a lawyer so I could be wrong...'"
I am too young to remember that so it is probably me that is mcfuddled
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| whats the big deal anyway .
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| Quote ="fredie"whats the big deal anyway .
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Go home.
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| [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/03/07/RUGBYL_Manly.htmlCatalans to sign Manly Superstar Duo[/url
Well after the Bird scandal, anything is possible? You read it here first...
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| I really hope that you're completely and utterly wrong. They are 2 quality players and would really boost Catalans
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| I don't understand anybody having a go at the RFL for this. The RFL gave him permission to play in SL, it is nothing to do with them who for. Their rules allow for him to play over here. They were happy for him to play for Bradford, and they are happy for him to play for Catalans, due to the fact there is nothing in the rules that should stop him.
The debate here should be about the Visa process of the UK versus France.
For anyone to say they are done with RL if this happens, well, it's just farcical!!!
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| thats right . its sour grapes . blame your govenment if we cant have him . no one can have him.so ner
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I really hope that you're completely and utterly wrong. They are 2 quality players and would really boost Catalans'"
I suspect you missed the irony in my post...although I wish I could say I was 100% confident it WILL prove to be just 100% ironic...
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