Well if that statements true then it looks like a very bleak future for you. Think a lot of it is doom and gloom scaremongering though and it will do you no harm at all going down, cutting your cloth accordingly and building your club up again from the foundations up.

Well done for getting "cutting your cloth" in, but the Administration bingo thread is elsewhere.

Are you mistaking me for MM? I just repeated what they said. If you think you can persuade MM &Co. it ain't so bad, and get them to come back, we'd appreciate it

Your statement holds true for Castleford and Wakefield for example as the sport is the only game in town and intergral to the fabric of that Town and City. The conditions do not exist in Bradford for that sort of bounce back.

Bradford has a small Amateur set-up compared with neighbouring districts such as Calderdale and Kirklees areas. Never in a million years could you call it a Rugby city. I do not believe that we could have any certainty of returning to the top table in more than a decade, if at all.

With respect, had Huddersfield rebuilt from the foundations as you advocate and done so without the invaluable support of one man, you'd be the same. I believe you would be a fair to good 1st division team clammering for the introduction of 8x8x8.

There are more amateur clubs in Bradford than Calderdale or Kirklees

But fewer than in the Wakefield council area.

Seems that it's fairly even in the numbers between Bradford and Calderdale & Kirklees. Not sure some "Bradford" clubs are actually in Bradford like Wyke and Birkenshaw. Drig has a BD11 postcode but is in Kirklees IIRC.

The hotbeds for amateur RL aren't in Bradford.

I don't agree. You are a great advocate for Amateur Rugby in Bradford but I'm afraid I think you exaggerate.

Ken Davy came on board when we were in the 2nd division in 1996 with us only day dreaming about being a super league club. We had been in the doldrums for decades and our crowds had declined remarkably. Our academy wasn't the best and the players on the pitch weren't much better compared to the team and set up we have now. Also Huddersfield's not a rugby town.

He reformed the way the club as a whole was run right from the juniors upto the chief executive. Young players didn't want to come to our club and so a make over of all the club was required and he did that. He has used his own money in achieving what we have got now but as a club and organisation we are built on solid foundations done the right way over nearly 20 years.

Since coming into super league the best thing that happened to us was relegation, this enabled us to go down for a season and get that winning mentality back into the club, that was something we'd lost by losing virtually every week. We came back a better and stronger club for it and has helped us in some ways to get to where we are now.

You on the other hand have been successful in recent years and you can rebuild and come back better for it with the supporter base still interested (we lost all of ours due to years in the wilderness and it's hard to get them back due to location of other RL teams). Local business's who back you now or in the past would probably be willing to back you again if you set solid foundations and help the club grow again. You are in a bad situation at the moment but short term pain could bring long term gain in the future as you have got something to build on to move the club forward.

So, to sum up, we just need to start with getting a Ken Davy on board.

OK. Do you know where there is one spare, by any chance?

No you need someone who has faith in your club and who's willing to take a backward step if needs be to help rebuild your club again.

Moggie, I’m bemused by all that to be honest.

You just confirmed what I already said that your restructuring, however sensible, was undertaken on the back of one man’s millions. Yet you advocate Bradford do the same with no sugar daddy and the forlorn hope of tapping into the goodwill of Bradford business.

The Bradford business community are at best indifferent. I’ll see your Ken Davy and raise you a bloke with two small curry houses. If that’s the best we can do attracting the cream of Bradford when we are in superleague, then if we drop down a division it’ll be Mrs Miggins Pie Waggon from a layby on the 606.

Are you suggesting that Huddersfield would still be in their current position (or even still in SL) if Davy kept all his cash in his pocket?

We started from nothing with no recent success or foundations in place where as you have certain structures and foundations already set up plus a very good fan base. It seems from the outside all Bradford are interested in is a strong team on the pitch and to hell with anything else and that relegation would be the end of the world. You don't need millions to do all this or a sugar daddy type person to sort your club out just someone or a group who have the sole intention in building the club up without the sole intention of being a top club at this present time and being in it for the long haul.

We are very lucky to have someone like Ken Davy on board who has financially backed us. He has got us to where we are now but has also built up a club who now bring through our own juniors into the first team, attract good sponsorship and are much stronger off the pitch than when he first took over many years ago.

We need our own Ken,anyone know a Ken that's got a few spare million

Wyke is certainly in Bradford though both Birky and Drig, despite BD postcodes, are actually in the Leeds council area - sort of, the opposite of Ilkley, you might say.

You do realise how much Huddersfield are losing each year at the moment don't you. Your club is in one of the poorest positions in the league in terms of yearly losses.

Yes you need to get a Ken or Marwan otherwise you're knackered

So the setting up of your youth system was free, or did that take some of Ken's cash?

Without a wealthy backer, there is no quick fix.

All those great structures and foundations we supposedly have are dependent on an income. Having a millionaire behind you makes all the difference. I could have the best intentions but without the money to make it happen it's pointless.

If we had a Davy behind us I'd have no fear about relegation. Fact is we don't have that. Also I'm of the opinion that the three 8s system is just an illusion of promotion for tier 2 clubs given they're on a lower salary cap.

That's what I'm getting at. You don't and shouldn't want a quick fix.

You are such a worry wort (or is it wart) Bullseye. We just need to drop down a division and rebuild using the tuppence we found down the back of the settee to bank roll our structures. Then straight back up and into the final of the world club challenge.

I disagree, staying in SL this year would be a massive quick fix.

Next year we would have record Sky income, and a roster that must be running at about 50% (or even less) of the salary cap.

If we can survive this year, we will have pretty decent foundations to build again.

Dropping down a division would be a different proposition.

What you are basically doing is making some pious proposal for someone- anyone - in Bradford to start from scratch with some mythical new little organisation without two halfpennies to rub together, and to "build it up" in "the long haul".

And to do this we don't need a sugar daddy type person, just some bloke who, while skint, his heart is in it and is full of "good intentions".

This skint person will nevertheless somehow take on and finance the entire Bulls setup up to academy level, and the very good fan base will forget the Bulls and will all flock to this shoestring outfit. Despite not actually having a team, nor being able to afford one.

Can I ask - if there is such a person, what is the reason they never did any of the above with - say - Dudley Hill, or West Bowling, or some such?

Davy provided you lot with a quick fix and it took 18 years to get where you are now.

Without Davy's millions I reckon you'd still be at Arena 84 playing as the Barracudas.

Going down would mean we'd have to start from scratch. Without a backer I can't see how we'd be able to afford an academy. We'd not be able to afford to play at Odsal. Why would sponsors want to put their money into such a tinpot operation? They've not exactly been pumping in the millions when we were good.