WOW, A couple of good games. Chris Feather also had a couple of good games, was he a good player for us aswell?
He was attrocious in quite a few aswell, and the fact that he only played half a dozen or so with mixed results says to me he wasnt a good player for us.

Beaver Beaver, no that is not me. It's MacbullyBoazza.

We don't know yet, because we don't know how much notice the club had of his intentions. This is important in finding a replacement. I challenge you to show me an employment contract for any senior position that doesn't have some such stipulation at least in spirit. Your tales of labour mobility in a transient low-skilled migrant economy don't really make a good analogy.

This.

Also, whilst the club have been saying in legal speak for a while they expect him back, this surely is not the case privately, and contingency plans will already have been looked at I'm sure.

But its far far from ideal with the timings and Matt Orford, whatever else we may or may not think, the fact is one of our current key players has left his team in a really difficult position, which he could have avoided if he had handled the situation better, and for that if nothing else I don't thank him.

Ryan explains a bit more on this saga here! news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 130327.stm

Ryan explains a bit more on this saga here! news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 130327.stm

Just listened to that. No truth in Burrow he says.

Once again pious fans reign.

Matt, via his agent, has requested a release. And? Who wouldn't leave their current employment for a more attractive option?

As I've said on numerous occasions, he has always been hugely overrated. A poor mans Brett Kimmorley and he won't be missed.

The interesting element is the next step. NRL clubs are renowned for not paying any kind of compensation whether it's requested or otherwise (bar Sam Burgess) nor are they a great respector of our contract system. I can't see the club securing anything like the amount they will be thinking for a 32 year old. Not a chance.

Your really are quite pathetic.

The big difference is that Orford signed an employment contract for three years. Compared to maybe one month for most employees. And what he got paid reflected that commitment.

In the real world, people expect you to give the contractual notice when leaving a job.

But then, you never show any signs of living in the real world.

Barry's a troll, nothing more.

He's not even an Aussie if you believe some folk.

Either way he's a sad act with one joke that's as thin as the England backline options.

Matt Diskin had a contract. Didn't stop us signing him or asking the question. As we have done with a number of players. It's what happens in sport.



He has effectively given notice. We don't need to dress it up with terminology. It's the off season, he has "requested" a release (not demanded) and is awaiting the club's response. I don't see what Orford has done wrong at all.

We simply don't want players in a Bulls shirt who have no desire to be here.

Diskin did not break his contract. Orford has said he wishes to break his. One presumes if Bulls will not release him he will break it anyway. One way or the other.

Orford should have given two years' notice. He has not. He has said he wants out now.

And you don't see what he has done wrong?

I agree with your last point - which of course is the ace in his hand.

Indeed.

Its like an infestation on the VT. Seems no way to clear it out.

Thats your opinion.

But at least unlike a lot of people I don't resort to name calling.


Sure you have got the jack with Matt Orford for not honouring his contract.

Maybe he should, maybe he shouldnt.

But the fact is... things like this happen all the time.

So you expect him to give 3 years notice do you?


If the bloke was switched on (which I'm sure his agent was if he wasn't) he will have a get out clause in his contract anyway.


Seriously.

The way you guys are bagging him you would think he was responsible for the Halabja massacre or something.

He is a rugby league player.

He played for your club.

He didnt like it in England.

He wanted to go home.



It's hardly a hanging offence is it.


sheesh.

Jeez the air must be thin up there on that pedastal of yours Barry. Let's just get this straight, you think the way that Orford (undoubtedly with that turd Mimis pulling at least some of the strings) has conducted himself is ok?

Had Orford asked for a release when he went home "to recover from his injury" at least the club would have known where it stood formally and been in a position to put proper contingency plans into place to sign another halfback for 2011. As it is, what little contact he has been bothered to make with the club has been reported to be positive comments about his return and he's waited until the 11th hour to request his release, leaving the club he so happily milked for his salary in the lurch.

And is there any reason why you choose to fill half a page with your stupidly spaced holier-than-thou posts?

Way to over-react Baz.

Think you've reeled yourself in there.

Now run along.

Notice the double line spacing.

I like your style.

But not much.

I just think it's a bit of an over reaction by a lot of people.

The bloke didn't honour his contract. He wanted to go and work back in Australia. Hell.. who could blame him??!! England is no fun to live and work in! Thats why I'm outta here on December 21st myself!!

It happens all the time... whatever business you work in. Contracts mean nothing these days.... rightly or wrongly. A clever lawyer can always find a loophole.

But the facts are Matty Orford was a good player for you in the admittedly short time he played for your club. You liked him. I'm sure a lot of you sung his name. Now you think he is on the same level as Osama Bin Laden



It's not like he set fire to the stadium and robbed your chairmans wife before he left. Why bag him out the way you are? All he has done is decide he doesnt like it in England anymore.

Anyway... I've said my piece.

Good luck for next year.

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No need to ban me from your forum. I wont bother posting in here again.

Hooroo

Bagging Barry for his view because it doesn't concur with others is pish poor form.

He is right in many regards.

Orford hasn't honoured his contract. We of course have never approached any player under contract.

He wants a release. And the problem is what?

Taking the Bulls' money for months when it seems reasonably clear he wanted a release months ago, but chose to string the club along while he or his agent pursued alternatives causing the club major difficulties in finalising its 2011 squad.

Telling the club specifically that he would be coming back, then failing to refute the regular stream of "rumours" to the contrary in the Ocker press.

Seemingly finally asking for a release mere days before he was due to return for training.

Seemingly not ensuring any NRL club with whom he or his agent held discussions contacted the Bulls and sought permission to hold such discussions, if he was not man enough to tell the Bulls himself.

That'll do to be going on with. Regardless of whether he was a saviour or was badly over-rated while he was here, which has no bearing on the issue of his conduct.

And we haven never we engineered a situation as outlined above with other players, in our favour?

Again, as fans, we are being pious.

Irrelevant.

This is about the conduct of the player, not the club. Why keep trying to move the argument?

Irrelevant? No it's not. It is entirely relevant. As a club trying to play paragon of virtue is sickly.

You again seek to divert the argument away from the payer's conduct. Or seek to excuse it.

Why?

What the club may or may not have done at other times in totally unrelated situations is completely irrelevant to a discussion about the player's conduct. And even if there WAS any kind of connection, would two wrongs make a right?

No it isn't.

The concept remains the same.

Again, the pious offerings are incredible.

The guy doesn't want to play here anymore, simples. Wheeling the Ironside sketch out is futile.

Yes it is.

No it does not.

No they are not.

Not the point; and no it is not.


See...I can make blunt statements without wheeling anything out in support too. Any fool or zealot can do that.

You clearly see nothing wrong in his behaviour. I do. War of attrition is futile, and as I believe enough has now been said for others to form their own views I'll rest my case.

FFS he's gone. Lets get over it...

The only worry is getting a decent replacement now, hopefully we can negotiate some decent compo, recruit a Scrum half and lure Pryce back to the club. Easier said than done admittedly.